I'm still here! But have a lot more questions...
Check out the new documents on the website. There has been an intense email conversation going on between the City and PERC and some from our group.
I will post the emails later but in the meantime read the PERC response to the emails.
They also sent the proposal work they did for free back in 2002. No wonder they wanted to get paid for jumping through the hoop this time.
I have to tell you that these documents will make you wonder what the heck is going on. I have even more questions now.
I'm curious abou the NPDES comments. There have been a lot of questions raised at public hearings about the necessity to spend an additional $30 - $50 million to dispose of the effluent at the school grounds. For one, the existing percolation ponds can handle our 1 MGD most of the time(except for flooding). We are adding capacity at the 22 acre park site and the new 12 acre site. The 22 acre park site is supposed to be able to store 4 days worth of flooding.
Anyway, not to get side tracked here but just read the documents and give us your thoughts and questions. This has to whet your curiosity.
posted by Gayle Washburn @ 10:25 PM
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I hope council has questions for Rapp after reading PERC's response.
If they have no questions,and he isn't reprimanded, we'll all know why
I think you are forgetting the "Golden Rule". Those with the gold make the rules!
Seems Rapp is opening the door for a Law Suit. Then What?
Rapp's Correspondences is troubling to say.
Gayle, This information needs to be published in the L A Times (Ventura edition) and the Ventura Star.
The Community needs to know about this.
Is our City Officials hiding information?
Seems to be some type of "Collusion" in the making.
I think that Bid in 2002 should have been considered in the decision of the RWWP.
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Heart Broken it seems that the only people that would sue would be Patti, Gayle, you and your group.
Gayle,
How many other Companies submitted Bids for the Waste Water Recyling Plant besides American Waters?
I don't think we in the Public know this.
Also have you been able to review these Bids?
If so, please post their Bid.
Did they too have an operating cost?
And if so, how long did they want to be Contracted for operating the Plant?
We all know American Waters is Contracted for 20 years.
" We are not here merely to make a living.
We are here to enrich the world and we impoverish ourselves if we forget this errand".
- Woodrow Wilson
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WHAT DOES THAT QUOTE HAVE TO DO WITH FILLMORE?
Anon 9:03 AM,
Show me where does it state a 20 year Contract.
Before you start bashing people, think before you do so.
On page 18 PERC talks about an
"O & M Contract with a 5 year Term".
Pg 31 the "Cost of 20 years
" No contract for 20 years.
I did read 20 - 23 years of experience.
Get your facts straight before you start bashing anyone,
You seem to be afraid that PERC may have some thing beneficial to Fillmore.
Wow there is always a point and a counter point.Caps makes more sense when he is on his meds.I just can't figure out whats going on now.It seems to me everyone has there own interpretation and I'm getting a little confused.
Anonymous 9:03 Not sure what you are looking at but I think that the $36 MM you are referring to is on page 31 about halfway down.
There is a figure of $36 MM there but it includes 20 years of O&M.
The American Water contract is $32 MM in capital plus an additional NPV of $24 MM for 20 years of O&M.
At this point, I don't believe that PERC is trying to obtain the contract.
I think they would be happy to go invest their time and energy on other projects with communities that are appreciative of their work.
But, they are being forced to defend their company's reputation against the remarks coming from the City.
All of the material presents a highly professional company with an attractive, award winning plant design at a reasonable cost.
And if you want to talk about brilliant sales jobs, how about the one where you have been convinced that treating our wastewater is so much more complicated than anyone else's.
"PERC 36 MILLION for 20 year contract for O & M and the plant, American Water 32 MILLION for a 20 contract for O & M and the plant,"
This comment was received recently and is just a small example of the ignorance that some people are displaying.
The American Water contract is $32 MM for plant plus $24 million for O & M. That's $56 MM. Got it?
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WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING ANTI-BUSINESS AND BLIGHT?
Gayle, it the sewer thing over?Where do we stand now ? Hope you can respond soon,thanks
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7:33 No, I don't think the sewer thing is over yet. So far, they've dug a hole in the ground.
According to Bert Rapp that part of the plant is $32 million. So, there's another $50 million being spent on disposal and reuse.
Oh and don't forget the water softening plant...maybe $40 million.
Make them stop! The sewer price is bad enough.Before you know it WATER will cost more than gasoline.
I LIKE HARD WATER !!! Just who's benefit is the soft water anyway?
anon: We've been trying to stop them for awhile.
Bottled water already costs more than gasoline. But you are right that water and sewer are going to be too costly.
As far as the soft water, the reason we need it is because of the water softeners. Residents use water softeners to eliminate the hard water and the softeners introduce chlorides into the sewer plant.
Chlorides are harmful to agriculture and if we have an excess we will be fined by the LARWQCB.
Sadly, this sewer plant we are spending so much money on does not treat the chlorides.
The thought was that if the city softens the water, we can eliminate the brine discharging softeners and reduce our chlorides.
It's going to be too costly though. I've heard that there is a lower cost way to take hardness out of the water. It's called electrocoagulation and is a lot less expensive than the Lime or Reverse Osmosis that the City plans to use.
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