Saturday, March 10, 2007

Did someone ask this question at the "workshop"?

At the sewer workshop last Thursday night, someone(was it Dorsey Smith?) asked the panelists if they had to consider the costs to the community when setting permits. I believe the response was that they didn't. They should have been aware of this ruling.

We've paid a lot of money for legal services during this long wastewater plant process. If anyone was interested in protecting you - the citizen and ratepayer - some action legal action would have been implemented. But then there may have been lost financial opportunities for consultants and contractors.

Alert: Ruling Opens the Door for Review of Economic Factors in Wastewater Discharge Permits
April 11, 2005
In a closely watched case interpreting California and federal water law, the California Supreme Court ruled on April 4, 2005 that Regional Water Quality Control Boards ("Regional Boards") must consider the economic costs of compliance with wastewater discharge permit restrictions if they impose restrictions that are more stringent than those required by federal law. City of Burbank v. State Water Resources Control Board, 2005 WL 742810 (Cal.).

Under the federal Clean Water Act, 33 U.S.C. §§ 1251-1387, water quality standards at the national level are implemented through the use of "effluent limitations" contained in National Pollution Discharge Elimination System ("NPDES") permits issued to dischargers. Individual states authorized to issue NPDES permits can impose more stringent pollution restrictions than federal law requires, so long as they are consistent with and at least as protective of water quality as the national standards. California has been authorized to issue NPDES permits and, through the Porter-Cologne Water Quality Control Act ("Porter-Cologne Act"), the nine Regional Boards have authority to set water quality standards and to issue NPDES permits for the discharge of pollutants into navigable waters.

In City of Burbank, the Los Angeles Regional Board ("LA Board") adopted a basin plan to improve the water quality of the Los Angeles River and its estuary. Narrative water quality criteria in this plan were incorporated into the LA Board’s issuance of renewed NPDES permits for the plaintiff wastewater treatment plants. Specifically, these NPDES permits imposed new numeric restrictions on the discharge of over 30 toxic pollutants in the treated wastewater. At no point during the process of developing these restrictions did the LA Board consider the plants' cost of compliance.

The wastewater treatment plants challenged the restrictions on the grounds that they were onerous and economically infeasible. For example, the City of Los Angeles estimated its compliance costs would exceed $50 million annually and the City of Burbank estimated the added costs at over $9 million annually, which would almost double its annual budget.
The California Supreme Court sided with the wastewater treatment plants, concluding that the Porter-Cologne Act specifically required a Regional Board to consider the cost of compliance, if the pollution restrictions are more stringent than required under federal law. Because it was not clear from the record whether or not the conditions imposed by the Regional Board were more stringent than federal law required, the court remanded the case for further factual determinations.

At this point, it is difficult to gauge the practical impact this case will have on the issuance of NPDES permits in California. The California Supreme Court was unable to determine, and the government agency parties were unable to clearly explain, whether the NPDES permit conditions in question were the same as, or more stringent than, those required by federal law. This led to a candid (and justified) concurrence from Justice Brown, who castigated the government for its inability to provide clear answers and inspired her to paraphrase from the lyrics of singer Marvin Gaye that the Regional Board's actions "make me wanna holler and throw up both my hands."

Because of the intertwining of federal and state water quality standards in the federal Clean Water Act, as implemented by the Porter-Cologne Act, we cannot yet predict how often, and in what circumstances, the Regional Board must take economic factors into account.
However, this case is important because it opens the door for NPDES permit applicants to present evidence of the economic impact of proposed effluent restrictions that exceed those required nationally. The ruling also legitimizes a new legal ground for an applicant to challenge certain discharge restrictions that will be expensive to implement.

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15 Comments:

At 3/10/07 9:26 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

YADA YADA YADA

 
At 3/10/07 10:33 AM , Anonymous other said...

don't know about questions.I do know
a phony snake oil salesman when I
see one.Did anyone see all the stars on the power point? They claim to be all over the state.Two under construction.Why would Fillmore Piru or NLF be a star on their map when they do not exist there.
How many other cities have a BS star?

Then there was the Smedly plant.

If the workshop cost $10,000
and they did it for free,couldn't
they at least serve coffee and a
snack to keep us awake?

Why is it when a tough question comes up Burt answers with 10 min
of talking in circles just to confuse and bore us.
(i think i just answered that)

 
At 3/10/07 11:53 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

YADA??? So you're not interested in the cost of the sewer plant? What's on YOUR agenda?

 
At 3/10/07 12:08 PM , Anonymous other said...

If your so smart,tell me is there
anything one can do about it?

Can I ask,was your agenda always
to be a hack consultant? Or should
we believe you always loved Fillmore

yada?

 
At 3/11/07 5:06 PM , Anonymous SARALEE BAKERY GOODS LOVES CONAWAY said...

Smedley? AKA Conaway!

Voting records are sure the same. Arrogance still lives and so does their articficial Code of Ethics.

Divisve , polarizing, SQUARE HEAD LOGIC. Your mothers must be proud!

NO BODY DOESNT LIKE SARALEE!!!

 
At 3/11/07 8:30 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:33 Other -

berts answers are sometimes long because you have to connect A L L of the dots, not just what just looks good to you. do you have any attention span?

 
At 3/12/07 9:49 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

YADA YADA YADA

 
At 3/12/07 10:49 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

After watching the City Council meeting on the Fillmore Gazette website, it is clear that Hernadez is so clueless in regards to the Sewer plant along with other city business. Conaway represents the minority of the status quo and Cuevas is spineless like a slug. The only true leader with a spine and guts is Council member Walker. Our town is very fortunate to have a supreme , intellectual leader. Im very pleased with Walker so far. Conaway might want to take some leadership courses in order to make our city more dignified. Try toastmasters for starters. I sure can't wait for the 2008 City Council elections.

 
At 3/13/07 1:37 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

YADA YADA YADA

I HAVE PITY ON YOU SUCKERS WHO BELIEVE IN THE TROUBLE SHOOTERS.
STAY HOME BONNIE AND CLYDE!
DID YOU KNOW THAT EVERYONE AT CITY HALL LAUGHS AND POKES FUN AT YOU PEOPLE? SO , I DO HAVE PITY ON ALL YOU!

 
At 3/13/07 1:38 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

YADA YADA YADA

 
At 3/13/07 5:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING HAS BEEN CANCELED. IT WILL BE RESCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEEK.

 
At 3/15/07 11:44 PM , Anonymous Gayle said...

other: I'm back. I wanted to respond to your question days ago but got too busy. Sorry.

You asked if there is anything one can do about it. Yes, there are a few things. First, convince the City Council to cancel the AW contract. We can't afford that option.

There are other solutions. Come to find out that the RFP said ONLY MBR, nothing else. Just because a few LA county entities with their millions can afford MBR, there are a lot of other cities that use conventional methods and stay in compliance.

Ask the water board for an extension pursuant to the Burbank v. LARWQCB CA Supreme court ruling.

Percolate the effluent at E Street, C Street, Riverwalk levee and the existing site, rather than spending $17 million to pump up to the school.

Then you can get involved with our group and help come up with solutions to these issues. Send me your email address and I will email you when we have meetings.

As far as my agenda, I'm pretty up front and out in the open. Nothing hidden. What you see is what you get.

 
At 3/21/07 7:19 PM , Blogger Gracy said...

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At 3/23/07 11:03 AM , Blogger Gracy said...

OMG!!!!!
I was watching the Planning Comm / Council Meeting tonight, 3/21/07.
The Owner of Yanni's produced his New Sewer Bill $1200.00. My heart jumped into my throat, $1200.00!!!
He said he sold his home to start the business of his Dream. Now he told all of us that he has to close his Business, he cannot afford those rates. Who can???
There was no compassion for him, no response, no nothing.
Who here in Fillmore can pay that price??
How many more Business are going to fold.
Our Council people should seriously look into Vertreat or something less costly.

We can save our Business here and still make the State requirements.

7:19 PM

 
At 3/29/07 1:52 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gracy, please remember two things, one he also stated that he could not afford the price of the sewer bill when he charges 299 for a hamburger, fries and a drink, huh, who can, this price is very low, not even McDonalds has prices that low, he will simply need to raise his prices a little, second, it seems as though he is forgetting one major thing, his food sucks, he has the longest drive through times in the world, and he is going out of business because he does not know how to run a business. He choose a town that is small, and has a lot of fast food, wrong market for him. I ate there once and only once and will not eat there again. 1200 a month is not bad for a business that is successfulm, it can easily be absorbed into the expenses by only raising prices a few cents or taking it from profit margins.

 

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