Sewer Contract...
Anonymous: 4:53 asked about the vote for the sewer plant.
This is so important that I wanted put the answer as a separate topic...here is my response.
Well, you have asked the million dollar question. Or should I say the $82,000,000 dollar question. What can we do? I have a few ideas, but ultimately I don’t think that I can do anything about it by myself.
I feel discouraged that Bert Rapp didn’t ask the Council to postpone entering into the contract until after the public had voted on the rate increases. Talk about a potential lawsuit! An $82,000,000 contract and they couldn’t wait a few weeks!
We had recently learned about a few alternative technologies that would have been much less expensive to operate and maintain. I mentioned the Vertreat in a separate topic.
When Bert Rapp and I discussed it he said he would research it and called Dr. Eugenio Giraldo, resident engineering expert at American Water. Dr. Giraldo threw out some weak objections. OF COURSE, he’s not going to endorse a COMPETITOR’S product! There’s $82,000,000 at stake! Why would he give an objective opinion?
When the engineer at the council meeting talked about Vertreat, he said that it wasn’t considered because it was only for industrial applications. That is untrue. The Vertreat is being used in Seattle, WA. and Homer, Alaska, for municipal wastewater treatment here in the US and extensively in Japan and Europe. Again, they have $82,000,000 reasons to steer us away from Vertreat.
Their well coordinated comments worked on the Council members and probably most of the public. The horror stories about Los Osos were also very effective.
When they were approving the additional $30,000 to Hawkins, Delafield and Wood do you remember hearing Roger Myers’ remark about lawsuits in Stockton(approving sewer plant contract before public vote)? It probably went over a lot of people’s heads but the fact that the City Attorney mentioned it and the City went ahead and approved the contract anyway is unbelievable. Was this what the Executive Session “anticipated litigation” was for? Just wondering. Maybe it was for the eminent domain.
I’m not sure what the totals are that we have spent for HDW to write up a treatment plant contract for us. Its $100’s of thousands. And, it may be close to a million before we’re through - to write a contract. Come on - HDW has been doing this for years! They have written this same contract for municipalities in California and other states. You would think that there would be an economy of scale or some boilerplate by now that just would need a little amending. But, no, they need that $235 per hour to come out from New York and pick up their checks. I’m also disappointed in Cecilia Cuevas’s gratuitous sympathy for how hard they are working. Producing a big pile of documents to make it look so is an old trick.
Check out this report by the Massachusetts Inspector General on this DBO process and using HDW.
Here’s another interesting document I found. It’s a lawsuit in Connecticut that HDW was involved in. You’ll have to read it yourself but basically they were sued by Connecticut for negligence. They were involved with illegal Enron transactions… “It failed to advise CRRA that the Enron Transaction was illegal, unauthorized, and exceeded CRRA’s statutory authority;”
Okay, so what are my ideas to save money for the ratepayers?
1. Use SRF (State Revolving Fund) loans. The interest rate for the bonds we just authorized is xxx(sorry, I have to make a correction here. I don't know what the bond interest is). Why aren’t we using the SRF (State Revolving Fund) loans for 2.5%? In my opinion and research it appears that the State requires competitive bidding rather than the DBO process that we had to get special legislation for. Who knows if we can even get the bond financing though. A “value engineering study” needs to be done before we can get loans. The type of loan we’re getting is a “COP” or Certificate of Participation. "This form of financing can be used by the municipal or government entity to circumvent restrictions that might exist on the amount of debt they might be able to take on." Also, the revenue stream from our sewer bills will be going to pay the bond holders. I think another reason that they wanted to have special counsel involved was to make sure they could get through the Prop 218 requirements.
2. What about the grants? There is a lot of grant money available. Does the state withhold grants for cause?
3. Stop approving the addendums to contracts for additional sums. Addendum #22 and #23 to Boyle Engineering were approved Tuesday night. Is there a limit to addendums? Not sure which Addendum # this was for Hawkins Delafield and Wood. These are like open ended streams of cash to these companies. And it’s not going to stop now just because we have a contract. HDW has already started a new invoice. Before this is all over the taxpayers of this town will be fleeced down to the bone…with no end in sight.
For that reason, maybe we should vote against the rates. And don’t forget we still have the chloride issue. The new plant that we will be paying $82,000,000 for will not treat chlorides. That’s why we have to put the recycled water in the parks and playgrounds, if the FUSD agrees to let the City do that. And get this…the City expects to charge the FUSD the same rate for recycled water that we are charging for potable water. I think that may be part of the formula for rates. Not sure though. An additional $35,000,000 will be required to soften the water. I want to talk about chloride reduction at a later date.
I’m not saying that Vertreat or the Micromedia that Bert mentioned are better than Membrane Reactor Technology. I am just saying it has not been investigated properly.
We did not need to award the contract before the vote by ratepayers. Oh, just one more thing. This DBO process is known as Privatization of municipal water systems. That means that American Water will literally own our plant.

31 Comments:
We will for sure vote against the rate increase if it does however come to a vote in our community. I believe families will struggle to pay these ridiculous rates due to spend spree the City of Fillmore enriches in. Its a shame our city is on the verge of going belly up.
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claire kennedy,
get used tp it. spitler,uber,mcmahan and the rest will always be the naught bunch that have nothing else to do except cause commotion and gossip.
these indivials have no concept of humanity ,yet alone ethics and morals. i know its sad but get used it , they will never change.
reality bites i know!
Clairek has a good point.
This is a Migrant Community, over half of the people here can not afford these rate increases.
I do not understand these Council People, especially Cuervas.
They are suppose to represent the Citizens of Fillmore, why have they waited to the last minute to look into this matter?
Why have they approved and approved more houses on-line to the Sewer Plant?
I don't care what they say, the more homes the higher the percentage that we are out of compliance.
Also getting out of this contract, we all know it will cost us.
You Council People, you certainly like to take advantage of spending money our City can't afford.
It is time a letter is sent to the Grand Jury.
Also Our City Hall needs an Independant AUDIT. Where is all the money going?
The Money needs to be regulated better than it has in the past few years
The Public Records Act
Government Code 6250 – 6276.48
Here is a link to a summary sheet
http://www.thefirstamendment.org/publicrecordsact.pdf
You can request any information you want. Job description and pay scale, expense accounts, email records.
So get off the couch and start having fun.
Gayle or Patty,
Whats Laurie Hernandez's position and opinion on the sewer plant and the proposed increase in rates?
Does anyone know where she stands?
Does Laurie Hernandez know where she stands?
mr fisherman 119
do yourself a favor and ask michael mcmahan or roger campbell!
Would anyone know why the City of Fillmore is being sued by the Santa Paula Hospital? It seems that City Hall has no clear answers .
Anyone know how much andy gump will run per month? sure hope its
less than $100. Rates for a flush are sure on the rise in Fillmore.
I think i-hop or carls jr. or maybe
even one or two of our local parks restrooms will be used a little more these next few yrs.But i guess thats not gona lower anyones rates will it? Am pissed off how could this happen in good old Fillmore? whos great idea was it?
i was born here my kids are born here hell will they be able to pay for a flush when they grow up? People this cant be happening! not in Fillmore. This would be great for some TV program like 60 min or
one of those TV shows. what are those old folks on a fixed income gona do? This city has to think before it makes choices, I think
this sewer contract stinks just like the people who's idea it was to do this. Maybe i Might get on the phone and call 60 min .
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The workshop was substantially informative. My husband and I thought Gayle gave an insightful talk . Im sure glad we attended. I thought more people would be in attendance , but i guess people have other obligations. Their wallets will be over obligated if they dont pay attention!
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ClaireK you have no credibility, so you please stop talking period
well, it looks as if the prairie dogs again have eaten a rotten yule log!
IGNORE THEM CLAIRE!
i cant believe gayle would allow this kind of language here.
Anon 1:55,
Shouldn't you say,
Billy Bob Jem that language is as repulsive as you are.
Billy bob jem 1:16PM (SMEDLEY)
ANON 1:42PM (UBER OR RISTAU)
GET LIVES AND GET BACK TO WORK!!!
how appropriate,we are talking
sewer here and look what rolls out...city staff!
Go flush yourself.
Whats repulsive is that gail lets these people taugnt claire and her family and she thinks its fine.
HELlO GAIL ITS TIME TO WAKE UP...
Why should Gayle be the PC police? Don't blame Gayle she has a life and isn't going to spend her life on this board. She will clean it up when she has a chance. The people that post this type of crap are the type that will stare at their shoe laces when you challenge them face to face. Just ignore the idiots and move on.
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come on kids...Behave
are words really shocking?
I think you have heard them b4
Besides,its quicker than a 300 word
essay that ='s 0
oops I'm not saying it's right
just faster than 300 words of
bla bla bla (mind numbing)
It seems curious that when presented with facts and information that it is considered BLAH BLAH BLAH, but when Gayle writes it, it is considered words from the bible. Seems a little hypocritical to me. But heck, a lot of things seems hypocritical to me. For example facts that are presented to Gayle and she only ignores them, but than asks for backing of statements, hypocracy at its best. Than there others that cannot see past the nose on their face, interesting to see that a blog that is supposed to spur discussion only spurs hypocracy and bashing of those that actually spend some time doing research and try to understand what is going on, oops more examples of hypocracy.
Oh ya one more thing, let me guess you all are going to say ignor this anon, or maybe this anon is ignorant, or wait there is my favorite, that anon is a city council member or city staff member, get back to work, lol maybe you doubters should try to do little research on your own and make your own conclusions instead of simply taking one persons perspective of the issues as fact, and dismissing the real facts that are presented.
Well shoot, all i said was...
bla bla bla it's quicker than
a 300 word essay.So where did you come up with such a rant? you even
know how to spell BLAH BLAH BLAH
How intresting...
Funny Other, again gayle 500 words, me 300 or less, what is the difference, when we are both expressing our opinions and facts about issues. Maybe this is because any opinions or facts presented other than gayle's have no merit, whata scary thought. There is a big difference between comprehending information and being able to spell and punctuate, in this instance I would say that comprehension would be the more important of the two.
Ok thats fair to a point.
It's Gayle's blog.Would you like to start your own? I'll read it.
I'll promise to type little.
I'll promise to not be caustic.
I'll promise not to bore.
How is that?
Did he/she (or both) die?
Or does the cat have his fingers?
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