Land Use Graphics from GP
Okay, we're going over this again. These are excerpts from the General Plan Land Use Element, adopted May 2003, that apply to North Fillmore. These five excerpts indicate that the default Land Use for North Fillmore without the North Fillmore Specific Plan is Low Density Residential of 1-7 units per acre at a maximum of 693 units.
I hope the charts aren't too difficult to read. If they are just go to the website and the pages indicated for a better picture.
1. Page LU-34: Table LU-6 that describes the proposed designations
States that North Fillmore Master Plan Area of 99 acres would transition to low-density residential.
2. Page LU-44: Definition of Low-Density Residential
Thus, 99 acres x low-density residential (1-7 du/acre) equals a maximum of 693 units.
3. Page LU-43: Land Use Category Summary
States that a Master Plan with design standards is REQUIRED. No Master Plan has ever been created.
4. Page LU-49: Definition of Overlay Districts(NFMaster Plan is an Overlay)
States that development standards and studies are required and specific ordinances should be developed. Where are the zoning ordinance changes? “Except as specified…the underlying land use category would apply.” Thus the underlying land use category of Residential Low would apply.
5. Page LU-52: Overlay District Intentions
This is where things get confusing. The North Fillmore Overlay District is ‘intended’ for ‘potential’… and ‘would’ include no more than 894. The overlay district has never been established. And, there is no Master Plan
Definition: ‘Would: Refers to an event that has not happened yet.
The Master Plan was never done. Thus, the land use designation prior to the North Fillmore Specific Plan was RL-Low-density residential 1-7 units, for a maximum development of 693 dwelling units. The zoning prior to NFSP was Industrial.
Additionally, in the General Plan Update Supplement to Final Environmental Impact Report of October 25, Land Use Element Changes, the updated General Plan Land Use Category Summary table has no reference to any North Fillmore Master Plan at all. The only possible reference is a category of Transitional Residential: Requires Planning Commission review and the Planned Development process to allow approval.
Now, you have to admit that there is some ambiguity. So, does that mean there is a conflict that needs to be resolved? Hmmm...
Also, you previously commented about the 106 acres. I believe you are referring to Table LU-4 which describes the vacant industrial land. Part of the total 106 is from the CBD. Please let me know if this is where you are getting the 106 acres.
Ultimately, it is all a moot point. More importantly, what is your opinion of the city attorney's statement that the referendum had no effect on North Fillmore Specific Plan?
posted by Gayle Washburn @ 8:03 PM
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Once again you miss the boat Gayle, you choose to depict only the segmens of the GP that will benifit you, if you continue to read the material you will see in black and white that the GP discusses the 106 acres and is designated for 5-20 DU per acre, as well as limits for 894 homes, so please be honest here and just admit it is beyond your comprehension and you simply do not understand it. Talk with Kevin and see if he has the two hours it will take to explain it to you. then try to understand that it is 5 -20 Du with a max of 894. Then we can move on to more important things such as crime etc... But first you need to understand this.
Bye the bye I find interesting that you say that you have not received any contributions from out of town, when in fact you have, Maybe not directly from I noticed that all your mailers, signs etc.... have been paid for by Patti, not to mention that the two of you are running mates, thus because her contributions have assisted you, IN FACT YOU HAVE RECEIVED CONTRIBUTIONS FROM OUT OF TOWNERS.
Also, of note is that fact that you have been played, you are a puppet or a pawn in the whole sceem of Patti's canpaign strategy or is that BOB's or maybe Brian who knows it seems that we will never get the truth from Patti and your camp.
Go to City Hall and ask Angela Mendez for Gayle Washburns Form 460's.
Now eat your words.
I personally can vouch for Gayle.
All, every penny of Gayle's Contributions were from Citizens here in Fillmore.
No I do think so Gracy, her mailers have spoken loud and clear for her. With Patti's our of town contributions Gayle has benifited from the Patti downfall.
Gayle, the master plan is what is intended for this area, where it seems to be confusing you is in the fact that it allows for the 894 once it is developed. Thus even without a Master plan and due to the fact that it has been designated as master plan area that 894 is the magic number, additionally the 106 comes from the stieger farm which was added to the gp, thus 106 equaling the 894 total, but this does not take away from the 5-20 DU that the master plan AREA has called for in the GP. The RL is an option for potential in the GP, but as it stands right this second it is calling for the 5-20 DU with a max of 894. As for the referendum, I believe that the reason he stated this is because it does not have any effect on the NFSP, in other words by reversing their decision the North Fillmore area has reverted back to GP, thus the NFSP no longer exists, unless Suncal challenges this in court and wins. Then the NFSP will be back in effect as is, without the need to make any changes, thus having no effect on it.
Anon 9:56
Wrong!!!
It seems you are unable to read.
Gayle paid for half of the Flyers.
I have all of Gayle Reports.
Go to City Hall and get them yourself.
I suggest you go back to School as well. You need learn to comprehend when reading.
gracy wrong, I comprehend that Gayle paid for half and the guess what the other half was paid with out of town money, meaning that whether she likes it or not she is affiliated with out of town assistance, and has used out of town money. Not hard to comprehend, if it looks like a duck, acts like a duck then guess what it is a duck, thus if Gayle did not want this apperance she should have mailed her own flyers out with her own money 100%, and without Patti's name on the flyer. Then you can talk to me about comprehending the fact that Gayle has not used money from out of towners. Not to mention that it is okay to a certain extent to use out of town money, the point I was trying to get you to comprehend is telling the truth goes a lot further then spinning it.
Anonymous 10:24 PM:
Ah, a reasonable voice in the wilderness. Thanks for your efforts to educate with calm, rational points.
I will be perfectly willing to listen and perhaps agree with you if you can show me the documentation in clear, unambiguous language or refer to page numbers to clear up the confusion.
As far as the referendum, R. Myers states that repealing the resolution has no affect on the other approvals; NFSP, Suncal tract map, and the other legislative acts, and therefore the NFSP is not affected. The referendum was only for a land use designation change not the NFSP. His opinion is that the land use designation change was unnecessary(that's a whole other issue though).
children stop fighting, both of you.
Well, gayle I am glad that it is finally election day, we can get this whole thing behind us and move on with out lives. as for your comments please see the my post in the section in which you asked me to provide the page numbers, I have included all the information there for you, but like usual you skirted the issue, by posting here instead in that link, Thank you for proving in my mind that you hav no business on the city council. While I wish you the very best in your future endeavors, my hope is that neither you nor Patti are elected to the city council, just because of your misleading and misunderstanding of the issues.
As Far as rodger myers comments, again twist twist twist. He says black you say white. I think that I already expressed myself on this issue. It is obvious that what he stated was not what you wanted to hear thus have to twist it. His comments were correct given the wording in the referendum, maybe if you had someone that actually had a clue as to what they were doing write the referendum it would not have ended in the way it did, the only people to blame are te authors of the referendum. While I signed foolishly, I thank for ensuring that in the future I read much more closely what I sign. 894 homes as illusrated in the gazette, the sespe sun, the city council meetings by city planning department, the city manager, the city council, and other people that are far more proficient then you or I have made this very clear and I thank you for enshuring that North Fillmore ends up piecemealed and disheveled. I thank you for running on your principals of no growth, or wait that is limited growth, oh wait that is no growth, I thank you for allowing claireK to be your conscious and proving that smut to the extreme is allowed in your camp, just like in Ken and Lauri's camp, in other words you and Patti are no better then those you vehimitely appose. I thank you for taking the time to fill your hard drive with useless information that has been spun out of control for the porposes of manipulation, I thank you for twisting the words in your flyers and showing everyone that the FOF flyer and the CFSF are correct in their observations of you and Patti. I thank you for all this and more, you have made your point loud and clear, you and Patti are a NO VOTE. for me.
However with this stated, I would also like to thank you, this blog made do research and think about a lot of issues for this I am eternally thankful. This blog has had a lot of good conversations, and a lot of smut accosiated with your name. This blog seems to have been made up with both sides of the spectrum as well as those in the middle, for this this blog has shown your desire to be involved in the democractic process thus I commend you, for your patience and perserverance with all that has been said and done, as I have stated before and will now state again, I wish you were not associated with Patti, then you would probably have my vote. You are a nice person from what I have read, since I have never met you, and seem to truly interested in this community, again I wish the best of luck no what happens in this election.
On the side you stated I believe in a newspaper article that the citizens PAC or special interest group had meetings that where open to the public, I would say this, it seems as though there have never been any postingof meetings on channel 10, nor the local newspapers, no flyers at my door, no information what so ever, thus how are these public meetings if no one knows about them or that they exhist. At least the city has to put something even a small something in the newspaper and channel 10. So honestly were they open to the public, or just those that were told about the meeting?
Well, gayle I am glad that it is finally election day, we can get this whole thing behind us and move on with out lives. as for your comments please see the my post in the section in which you asked me to provide the page numbers, I have included all the information there for you, but like usual you skirted the issue, by posting here instead in that link, Thank you for proving in my mind that you hav no business on the city council. While I wish you the very best in your future endeavors, my hope is that neither you nor Patti are elected to the city council, just because of your misleading and misunderstanding of the issues.
As Far as rodger myers comments, again twist twist twist. He says black you say white. I think that I already expressed myself on this issue. It is obvious that what he stated was not what you wanted to hear thus have to twist it. His comments were correct given the wording in the referendum, maybe if you had someone that actually had a clue as to what they were doing write the referendum it would not have ended in the way it did, the only people to blame are te authors of the referendum. While I signed foolishly, I thank for ensuring that in the future I read much more closely what I sign. 894 homes as illusrated in the gazette, the sespe sun, the city council meetings by city planning department, the city manager, the city council, and other people that are far more proficient then you or I have made this very clear and I thank you for enshuring that North Fillmore ends up piecemealed and disheveled. I thank you for running on your principals of no growth, or wait that is limited growth, oh wait that is no growth, I thank you for allowing claireK to be your conscious and proving that smut to the extreme is allowed in your camp, just like in Ken and Lauri's camp, in other words you and Patti are no better then those you vehimitely appose. I thank you for taking the time to fill your hard drive with useless information that has been spun out of control for the porposes of manipulation, I thank you for twisting the words in your flyers and showing everyone that the FOF flyer and the CFSF are correct in their observations of you and Patti. I thank you for all this and more, you have made your point loud and clear, you and Patti are a NO VOTE. for me.
However with this stated, I would also like to thank you, this blog made do research and think about a lot of issues for this I am eternally thankful. This blog has had a lot of good conversations, and a lot of smut accosiated with your name. This blog seems to have been made up with both sides of the spectrum as well as those in the middle, for this this blog has shown your desire to be involved in the democractic process thus I commend you, for your patience and perserverance with all that has been said and done, as I have stated before and will now state again, I wish you were not associated with Patti, then you would probably have my vote. You are a nice person from what I have read, since I have never met you, and seem to truly interested in this community, again I wish the best of luck no what happens in this election.
On the side you stated I believe in a newspaper article that the citizens PAC or special interest group had meetings that where open to the public, I would say this, it seems as though there have never been any postingof meetings on channel 10, nor the local newspapers, no flyers at my door, no information what so ever, thus how are these public meetings if no one knows about them or that they exhist. At least the city has to put something even a small something in the newspaper and channel 10. So honestly were they open to the public, or just those that were told about the meeting?
Good Lord anonymous 6:55, how long do you stare at yourself in the mirror in the morning? What a load! I could use some of your "wisdom" and "knowledge" on my front lawn. It’s time to fertilize for winter!
10:49 Anon
The duck is "YOU"!!
Here is a quote from Donna Cruz's letter on Nov 2nd; she is Patti's Treasurer.
"Mr. McMahan wants you to believe that Patti Walker must have made some type of improper promises to secure the financial contributions from individuals that live outside Fillmore city limits. These contributors which he is concerned about include school teachers, a college student, a professional golfer, Financial, Healthcare & Insurance Professionals and small business owners. These people made their contributions based on the personal & family relationships they have with individuals that live in Fillmore and for no other reason."
Now I am Gayle Washburn’s Treasurer.
I have first hand knowledge and the TRUTH.
I believe you are upset with our Contributors, why?
Could it be because of the overwhelming support of our Community?
We didn't need Attorney's, random Phone Surveyors, Developers as Smedley and Hernandez did.
We didn't need to loan our Campaign money.
We will see today, won’t we?
Anonymous I believe you are hiding behind this name so you won’t be exposed, because of all the Rhetoric and lies you have cast our way.
Your own self and actions embarrass you.
Gracy, I think that's funny as hell, Donna Cruz cryin' because of money from outside the city limits when she herself LIVES OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS!!! Now, if that isn't a typical example of the hypocracy of the Washburn/Walker camps!!! In fact, in the mailer came out last week from that faction, I noticed that AT LEAST six of the people endorsing W/W were from out in the county, and ONE was DEAD!!!
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"Clarence Freeman", is whom you are talking about.
A Pioneer in Fillmore, he was a loved and respected by all.
Mr. Freeman was also a supporter
for both Patti Walker & Gayle Washburn.
He was proud to be an endorser for both and to have his name with all the Supporters Names.
It was unfortunate that he past away during the Campaign.
You should be ashamed of yourself to stoop so low.
Wasn’t it bad enough casting lies out there, now you have bashed a well respected Pioneer of our Community?
You are SICK!!!!
I believe, the endorsement letter from the gentleman who died was before he died, as were all endorsements to run for office.
I believe all the candidates had out of town donations, except possibly Gayle, because I looked at them at City Hall but don't have the copies at home to refer to. But if memory serves me...
But we'll never really know who Hernandez's gifts were from nor Roberts because they never listed them on their forms. Just the same I don't trust anyone the land developers promoted because you know the developer would promote anyone who is going to build out Fillmore to the maximum density.
Even one of the land owners in the N.Fillmore plan, that lives in Fillmore, was supporting Patti.
Interestingly Campbell of FOF was working for him recently too.
And speaking of out of town donations take a look at FOFs disclosure. If you want the candidates promoted by out of towners vote for the ones FOF and CFSF promoted.
By the way Griffin is not from Fillmore, though he moved here to build, and neither are SunCal, Olson, or Rieder. And I do believe one of the land owners who is for the N.Fillmore Spec. Plan lives in Bardsdale. Not Fillmore.
Go to City Hall and ask McClary or Mendez for the records. Staff is very accommidating. They will answer questions about which plans Walker voted on and financial disclosures. Dont be scared off by rumors and inuendo. Seek the truth for yourself. Then make an informed decision.
Let's see...Patti is heavily involved in SOAR...Gayle is heavily involved with Patti...SOAR was founded, according to everything that's out there in the media, by one Richard Francis, Esquire, from the City of Oxnard... So, while everyone is gettin' all excited about out of town developers influencing life in Fillmore, another out of town organization, SOAR, is doin' the same thing...hmmmmmmmm
The campaign treasurers have patiently explained and documented our contributors.
There is a person here(maybe two) who is trying to make an issue where none exists. He's trying to defend the Friends of Fillmore and Citizens for a Safer Fillmore PAC's by trying to compare our campaign finances to theirs.
It is a weak thread that he's trying to strenghten by repetition and constant bashing. This is a person who is experienced and effective at negative campaigning.
Stay focused on the point. Patti and I are not supported by a PAC.
Whether contributions come from Fillmore(all mine are) or from Ventura(I think some of Patti's are), they are all from people who have a connection to the community that's from the heart and not for profit if a particular candidate is elected.
None of our contributors can put in more than $250. A PAC can collect huge lump sums of thousands of dollars and it exists to influence legislation or elect candidates who will benefit their agenda.
Lots of our supporters do live outside of city limits. Oh my! I have always considered folks on Grand Avenue and Bardsdale as part of our community. They just can't vote for municipal candidates but they ARE part of this community. I'm sure you agree. So ask yourself why the grasping of thin threads as major issues. Remember the true point.
anon 8:48am what's wrong with SOAR? I signed up for SOAR as have many in Fillmore and other parts of Ventura Co. Obviously this overdevelopment is a controvercy all over the country- especially here. Don't you ever take a peak outside of the Fillmore boundaries?
It is obvious everyone in the FOF camp is a bit shakey these days They are threatened Gayle and Patti are going to win or they wouldn't be attacking them so fiercely.
Gayle and Patti have my vote. I'm going to the polls to vote right now. See you there friends.
Make sure you use a good fertilizer with Weed and feed, and some of the crap from this blog. Also, I would recommend a good brand not like the brand of garbage from the Patti walker side of things
Gracy nice try, but no cigar, all that I am saying is that Gayle and Patti were so quick to judge others when they in fact took donations from outside of Fillmore, thus the hypocracy of their views, I wanted them to be honest and just state the facts, there is no harm in taking money from outside contributors as long is it is presented in an honest straight forward manner, with the reasons behind the donations. As far as businesses and the like that have contributed, it is a shame we do not know what their agenda is, nor do we know what their influence is on Patti and Gayle, so to dismiss this is to be fooled again by Patti.
Gracy I would also like to state that only facts and perspectives have been stated regarding the referendum and the candidates and the like, just becuase you do not like what is being stated does not mean that there is no basis in reality for the statements, this would be like a dictatorship, wait wasn't that what someone stated Patti is like a dictator. At any rate you have your views and we anon have ours, and as such we have the right to question what is stated and the information we are presented with. The problem with a lot of what has been stated, at least in my opinion, on both sides of this election is that both sides are yelling at the top of their lungs what they believe in, thus, so lets let bye gones be bye gones and simply agree to disagree.
No hard feelings and nothing personal, my intention and I believe the intention of a lot of other commenters is to creat a fair campaign based on information from both sides. but please do not insult our intelegence, with your comments on the rightiousness of Gayle and Patti, when a lot of their tactics have been just as bad if not worse then FOF, Citizens for a safe Fillmore, Ken and Lauri, even you would have to agree that it seems as though the most inpartial person in the election has Been DIANE. with second place going to Gayle. But unfortunately she got wrapped up in the Patti Walker turmoil
Gayle you finally got it, it only took the day of the election, but wow you did it I am proud of you, you finally made an honest statement about the campaign finances, but there is a correlation between the moneys you raised and the moneys from FOF, and the other pacs, additionally please see my definition from Webster dictionary regarding the definition ofa PAC, then you might see why they are considered a PAC, but at the minimum a special interest group, as for the out of towners that support you, if they are involved with the special interest PAC then they too are part of a SPECIAL INTEREST thus have an influence and cannot be considered earnist in their desires for Fillmore. Everyone has an agenda, mine is to find a candidate that is worth my vote, not in special interests, not in FOF, not in any PAC simply and without doubt to look at what is in the best interest of Fillmore
Anonymous
You mean just your Rhetoric and lies.
Non truths and misinformation.
Seems that is why you hide behind anonymous.
Your embarrassed of yourself!!!
Oh anonymous 9:39 You're starting to sound like someone with hurt feelings? Do you want to come over with anonymous 6:55 and talk to my lawn too? I'm sure between to two of you it would green right up!
Is it getting hot in here or what? I can understand the concern on the part of the current city council’s male members. I mean come on, they currently have one woman on the council who’s got larger “Mr. Biggies” then they do, what the heck are they going do with two more? They already have a woman telling them what to do at home, they don’t need another. How about a little sympathy for the boys?
Gayle, here's a simple concept for ya: You are either 'inside the city limits' or 'outside the city limit'...when you cry about your opposition being from 'out of town', it doesn't matter whether they are 50 miles or 50 inches outside of the city limits... When that becomes a campaign issue, as it has for you and your crimey, then be prepared for this kind of nitpickin'...I think that if your Grand Avenue and Bardsdale supporters are part of the community, then people who have invested millions of dollars in the community should be considered part of it too...and it seems like you have a prominent figure in your campaign, ie brian sipes who lives in oxnard, does he not? Is the 'Nard part of the Fillmore community?
Gracy, I hope you find your piece of heaven in the heavenly bliss of ignorance, dissasociation of reality, brain washed, scewed, perspective of reality. It might be lonely, but heck you will probably have Patti to talk to or maybe Gayle, unless that is she gets the big picture finally. It has been a pleasure picking your brain apart, although that has been difficult since you can only make personal attacks, and then cry when you get a taste of your medicine. your hypocracy knows no bounds. So peace and god bless, best wished in future endeavors!!!! ;o)
By the way are u a soccer mom, it sure sounds as though you are. It seems that gossip and misinformation rule your life. Maybe yenta might be a better discription. At any event, even though we have had words, I would like you to know nothing personal, again as I have stated time and time again, I only wanted to get information about the candidates. and provoke a good conversation, to bad you are not capable.
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Wow call me clairvoyant.
Vance.. did you just type something?
MEOW !!!
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