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Did you see this article on the ojaiblog? It looks like every city is having growth issues.
Evidently there are a few initiatives beig contemplated in Ojai and the city attorney is trying to block them.
A council candidate is facing a SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) suit. I believe that a SLAPP suit was filed by Fillmore against Patti and several other citizens a few years back.
Santa Paula just completed their community workshop, Plan Santa Paula. I applaud the effort.
Moorpark, Santa Paula, Thousand Oaks, Fillmore. Cities in Ventura County are waking up to the reality of life in our times. The perpetual growth is causing citizens to try to protect their quality of life. More later...
posted by Gayle Washburn @ 7:04 PM
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I just can't wait. Is Roy-Roger slithering into SP & ojai with our
city attorney as well?
don't they hibernate after a big meal?
Hey Escondido Anonymous!
Check this out... All that hard work by the city council and it would seem for nothing.
CNN
October 31, 2006
PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (Reuters) -- A federal judge Tuesday temporarily barred Hazleton, Pennsylvania, from implementing a law designed to prevent illegal immigrants from living in the town.
Judge James Munley of the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania issued a temporary restraining order against Hazleton City Council, preventing it from enforcing its Illegal Immigration Relief Act Ordinance.
The measure has become a model for other U.S. towns that blame illegal immigrants for a range of social problems.
The law, which had been scheduled to take effect Wednesday, would fine landlords found to be renting space to illegal aliens, close down businesses that hire them, and allow legal employees to sue the businesses for employment lost during such a shutdown. A related law also establishes English as the town's official language.
MIKE MCMAHAN HAS FAILED TO RECONIZE THE NEW PAC IN TOWN THAT HAS ENDORESED LAURIE HERNANDEZ AND KEN SMEDLEY. THE SIMALARITIES ARE QUITE PROFICIENT.
1. SAME P.O BOX AS FRIENDS OF FILLMORE PAC.
2.ROGER CAMPBELL'S PUBLIC AFFAIRS BUSINESS P.O. BOX.
SO I MUST QUESTION WHY HE FAILED TO EXPLAIN THIS IN HIS LETTER TO THE SEPSE SUN, IM SURE EVERY CITIZEN WHO IS AGAINST SMUT WOULD HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS WITH THESE CONECTIONS. I HAVE ALSO HEARD MIKE MCMHAHAN IS THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR LAURIE HERNANDEZ. IF THAT IS TRUE , SHOULDNT THAT BE RECONIZED ALSO?
Gayle, Santa Paula just completed a workshop on growth and Santa Paula's future. Oddly enough the residents wanted growth, hotels and a golf course according to the Star.
Gayle,
I appreciate your stance on your NO GROWTH campaign for Fillmore, but what I can't appreciate is your disregard for the fact that Fillmore is the poorest city in Ventura County for the simple fact that we are not only smallest in population but geographically we are densely challenged. Let Fillmore grow. We are tired of being the worthless dot on the map.
anonymous 9:51: Why are you saying no-growth? You know that's not true and you are perpetuating a falsehood. This is another cheap political trick and tactic.
Also, we have always expressed a desire to sit down and come up with a more reasonable number of homes for North Fillmore.
If you want a big city why don't you move to Moorpark or Thousand Oaks so you can have all the amenities they have to offer?
All of the people that I have come into contact with have said that they wanted to maintain the character of Fillmore. This is also what it says in Vision 2020. This is what the public was promised. Why do you want to depart from that? What Fillmore has is desirable and worth preserving.
Gayle,
I stay in Fillmore for the same reason that you decided to retire in Fillmore. Because I love Fillmore just like you do. Don't you think that Fillmore deserves the same amenities as Thousand Oaks? Gayle, why don't you move to Piru and fight to keep that town vibrant and economically healthy?
Most of the people who move to Fillmore, move here because of the Small town atmosphere.
Fillmore presently will not be like T.O. or other towns around.
Fillmore will be Fillmore.
If you want amenities like T. O., then why did you move here, move there.
As I see it here, all want to change Fillmore.
Leave Fillmore alone, move to your big cities and stop tearing up our Orchards, river, meadows and mountains.
Who got the FOF flyer yesterday?
"Thanks, Friends of Fillmore"
For the Great advertisement for
Gayle & Patti.
Notice the date didn't flow with the other print, an altered document.
Looks like all the documents they have printed on their flyers have all been altered.
Plus their adding tape!!! In the front.
Now who did that?
Is that the best your PAC can come up with?
Looks like senility is setting in. I advise your group to stop while you’re ahead.
Before your relatives warehouse you "ALL".
Yesterday we received the FOF mailer , what smut. Since they are so dedicated to our lackluster, arrogant Ken Smedley , you would seem to think they would promote Kens's great accomplishments. Instead they breed sleeze. What else is their to talk about when your record is very much LACKLUSTER.
I suppose Diane McCall will remain silent and not dispell this smut just how she cowars up and shows no leadership or humanity like the last FOF mailer. Laurie Hernandez will make no public comment due to the other pac of the sale old thugs who are supplying the money for her mailers. So laurie yes my husband and I do understand why you wouldnt comment on these mailers. YOU ALL ARE A DISGRACE!!
Hey Anonh 643 We will have to wait and see what happens in court, I am sure that court doc have already been filed in this case. The interesting thing is that the city council stated that they used Case Law, and fed and state laws already on the books to impose this ordinance. If this is true then once again the courts will be making law instead of inforcing and interpreting law.
Sorry Escondido anonymous but I think the Escondido city council is suffering from a terminal case of cranial rectumitise. I still want to know who was paying for their bodyguards.
Gayle , I thought your letter in the Sespe Sun was right to the point to Michael McMahan. I would like to know What are Laurie Hernandez's ideas and goals? It's great that you were born and raised here, but that does nothing in explaining your positions. Take the North Fillmore Specific Plan for example. Your running on the coat tails of Smedley and that is very dangerous!
Gayle’s thoughts on Vision 20/20;
“…I felt a sense of security; a security that Fillmore would strive to preserve our small town atmosphere and quality of life through slow well planned growth.”
.8% growth is too much for you? Don’t snails have a faster growth rate than .8%?
“ That security was shattered with the Heritage Valley Park development ....”
Walker approved phase 1 of the Heritage Valley Parks plan. Does she regret that decision also? Now that she is running for office again she seems to regret a lot of her decisions.
Noone is perfect, this current council im sure is full of regrets.
Look at Smedley's statement on "ballot box planning" . What a joke.
As for Hernandez , lets not go there because we really dont know what her views are!
ANON 957 I would say that is safe to assume that the city is paying, but again, my point is that is it worth it to spend a little to save a lot. It seems as though the courts will have to decide, but until then I give them kudos (not to liken to Rush Limba, which I can not stand) I truly feel that it is a shame what the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are doing to this country and state. And yes I know that California's name comes from a mexico heritage, but what I am not saying is that we should ignore the history of this great state, just the that we should look at the history, Texas, Ca, and New Mex, were bought and paid for legally, and bindingly, from Santana after the american Mexico War, then the states on their own applied for statehood and were granted it, they asked to become states, And for those of who use the stupid argument that they were here first, I would point these legally binding facts stated earlier, and two NO THE AMERICAN NATIVE INDIANS WERE HERE FIRST AND CORTEZ AND OTHERS LIKE HIM TOOK IT AWAY FROM THEM, THUS YOU SHOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO SPAIN, unless of course you are 100% native indian,
Gayle I would have to say that I agree with ANON 951. I feel that you and Patti, keep talking in circles, It seems as though you are for no growth, but then you are for growth, then it is limited growth, then you tell us that you are only for the citizens of Fillmore, when you get $4000.00 dollars from outside of Fillmore sources, as far as Carpenteria, then you tell us that the NFSP calls for 683 max, yet everyone at city hall, the local newspapers, the city council, the UPDATED GENERAL PLAN THAT PATTI VOTED FOR 894 homes in, is false and does not exist or was never followed up on, then it is your campaign manager lives in Fillmore, when it is commonly understood that he lives in Oxnard unless he moved here for the campaign with his mother that does live in Fillmore, then it is that you do not mimic Patti in everything, and can go along to get along, yet everything is about Patti, and you cannot make a decision and it seems as though a thought without Patti's input. Then you tell us all about the FOF flyer that you cannot stand and how you ignore the smut, yet your supporters generate the most amount of Smut and you sit idoly by and allow it to occur without scolding them, then to only criticize the city council for doing just that when certain people get out of control at the city council meeting. Then it is that Patti is honest yet the flyer she sent out was for the EIR Of the General Plan, but in fact the FOF flyer stated the truth about her vote, but the pictures were ugly. then you tell us that the referandum needs to be approved, but when the city council approves it you cry foul, to coin someone elses comments, and demand more. When does it stop, it seems as though since the two of you started this campaign it has been a never ending slew of smut, bashing, contraversy, etc... why should we vote this in for the next four years. And on top of it you and your associates keep talking about Fillmore citizens as though you represent ALL OF US, YET YOU DO NOT AND SEVERAL OF MY COLLEGUES I DO NOT WISH FOR YOU TO DO THIS ANY MORE, WE CAN VOIC OUT OUR OWN CONCERNS AND OPINIONS, THANK YOU BUT NO THANK YOU
Please explain, all this I do not understand, Were EXACTLY DO YOU STAND AND WERE ARE GOING WITH ALL THIS RETORIC? Please I beg you tell me!!!!!!!
I agree with most of the senitments in this section thus far, it seems as though everyone in this town loves the small town feel, what we do not like is cummuting to other cities to work, shop, eat a decent resturant, etc.... Without growth how are we going to get these amenities? The question for me is in the type of growth. I do not think that anyone wants peacemeal projects that are slammed into this town with high density. But, then that means no affordable housing, so what is the comprimise? You say that you want to make this a town with Jobs, yet little to no growth, you say that you want affordable homes, yet this means higher density, it seems as though you want your cake and to be able to eat it, but in reality this cannot be done without comprimise. Thus again what is the Comprimise? Because 350 homes will not accomplish any of the above, only million dollar homes, for a market that potentialy will not be able to sell them because we do not have any amenities that are of interest to this type of investment. I believe in single family homes on decent size lots, at a fair price, lets say in the 500 to 700 thousand dollar range, mixed with a small amount of condos, and or townhomes, what are your thoughts?
First of all, Im not Gayle or Patti's campaign manager. Secondly I find it very odd that the Smedley,McCall and Hernandez campaigns keep ignoring issues that need to be resolved here in Fillmore. Ever wonder why Fillmore is so divided? Well look and listen closely to the Pacs that blatantly control Fillmore's politics. Now, I have not made any negative comments regarding Smedley,McCall or Hernandez, so now i must ask why are they attacking me? Maybe its because their slime and tug politics are not working against Patti and Gayle?! It seems that certain individuals never have learned the golden rule!
Man the rhetoric out of this campaign this is starting to sound like John Kerry. I liked the joke before I decided I didn't like the joke. Next thing we expect to hear is "The intent of the joke was....”
citizens of Fillmore,
Please think about this: I was personally acquainted with Gayle because she is my landlord's association manager. I know beyond any doubt Gayle doesn't have any secret agenda with Patti because Patti did not know Gayle until just shortly before the date of filing for the election. Gayle had no plans to run for office until then either. I know for sure because I personally asked her if she was running (some time over the past six months) and she said she hadn't thought about it and she was simply studying up on the EIR on the plan out of her concern regarding the project.
She was later asked to run by others in the community (not me. I am not a member of the Citizens for Resp. Growth nor did I sign the referendum, nor do I belong to any PAC, or endorse any particular candidate.) She was asked because she is an intelligent person.
Gayle doesn't have a secret agenda but made it clear from the beginning where she stood on the N. Fillmore Spec. plan. Neither she nor Walker ever stated they were for no growth. They said they were for slower more responsible growth.
Regarding Walker's voting record, I could be wrong but I don't believe city council members ever vote on a specific alternative to a plan in its early inception, although they may have expressed support for having various alternatives studied within the EIR at the time Patti was in office. Nor does the Planning Commission vote to recommend certification on an EIR at the same time as the number of units adopted. Leastwise they did not recently work things that way.
What I find even more facsinating than all of these conjectures toward Gayle and Patti is that no one is in an uproar that developers in the N. Fillmore Plan pushed for city council to bypass the Planning Commission making its recommendations regarding the plan even after Smedley said it would be highly irregular for City Council to ignore the Planning Commission's recommendations on a project.
Diane McCall also is being bashed. She has no connection in her campaign with trashing Patti, with Friends of Fillmore, or with Smedley other than she's running for office. She is a classy lady and I think it is mean spirited to trash her for simply volunteering in her community. If you reject her platform great. But I hope you will do it on a factual basis.
I do not like it when people act like, because they were born here or lived here longer, they are more important than other members of this community. That is the societal ill that is breeding the class war and the racial tensions in Fillmore. It further discusts me to see the "I was born here and have lived here longer than you so I have the inside track" attitude in a candidate running to represent the entire public. That smacks of pride. Although naturally those with that same insider attitude will likely vote for the candidate with this sort of stuck- up stance.
Let's talk about the fact that the Chamber of Commerce ousted Walker for giving an interview with the press, without their permission, just around the time businesses were expressing an interest in the chamber because of the interview. Remember at least one of the candidates running for the council is currently on the chamber and comes highly recommended by another prominant community member on the chamber (whose not running for office but avoids talking with the press when asked to interview.)
As far as the overdevelopment issue, I do not think anyone, including Patti or Gayle or any other candidate chose to reject development. They, like most Fillmore residents, want development to continue but scaled down below 894 or 700 units the city was pushing for.
Those of you who wish for 700 or 894 units, try to get out of River Street onto HWY 23 someday, but not during rush hour, you'll never make it out. Traffic was never that bad until Griffin placed his lovely homes in that neighborhood. And it's only going to get alot worse before Griffin or caltrans finally put in a traffic signal. Welcome to the hotel CA.
Remember also the new school you will pay to build, not the developers, with a higher number of units in N Fillmore. That was something McCall initially inquired about when city staff was stating we wouldn't need a school, even though the EIR said we would. However developers would be required to pay a developer fee to "Mitigate" the issue. But it won't be enough to pay for a new school or a cafeteria in the one we have.
Mitigate is a fancy word EIRs use to force city's to swallow state mandates to overdevelop on account of the influx of illegal aliens we're housing as Californians are heading out the back door of Hotel CA to go to Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Iowa, Idaho, Canada, wherever they have to in order to escape the overcrowding, the hateful proud stares, the uneccessary hospital closures, the dumbed down school requirements, the incessant graffiti, litter, loitering, youth gang activity, the car keying, uninsured motorist rear-ending, votor defrauding, non English speaking consequences caused by California's legacy of illegal immigration. Thank you NAFTA, CAFTA, and FTAA, UN and ACLU. And thank you public officials who have sold us out to the illegal immigration Betrayal of America. Oh and let's not forget the latest legacy of the government, we're all supposed to become Muslems. Do you think the Islam new world order of the globalist agenda would appreciate our pro -gay agenda in the public schools as well? Do you think the NOW would like for women to accept they're enforced mutilation. For constitutional sake, it is okay to stand up for a nation governed by its true citizens. By the way immigration is a-okay when it is LEGAL!!!!!!
citizens of Fillmore,
Please think about this: I was personally acquainted with Gayle because she is my landlord's association manager. I know beyond any doubt Gayle doesn't have any secret agenda with Patti because Patti did not know Gayle until just shortly before the date of filing for the election. Gayle had no plans to run for office until then either. I know for sure because I personally asked her if she was running (some time over the past six months) and she said she hadn't thought about it and she was simply studying up on the EIR on the plan out of her concern regarding the project.
She was later asked to run by others in the community (not me. I am not a member of the Citizens for Resp. Growth nor did I sign the referendum, nor do I belong to any PAC, or endorse any particular candidate.) She was asked because she is an intelligent person.
Gayle doesn't have a secret agenda but made it clear from the beginning where she stood on the N. Fillmore Spec. plan. Neither she nor Walker ever stated they were for no growth. They said they were for slower more responsible growth.
Regarding Walker's voting record, I could be wrong but I don't believe city council members ever vote on a specific alternative to a plan in its early inception, although they may have expressed support for having various alternatives studied within the EIR at the time Patti was in office. Nor does the Planning Commission vote to recommend certification on an EIR at the same time as the number of units adopted. Leastwise they did not recently work things that way.
What I find even more facsinating than all of these conjectures toward Gayle and Patti is that no one is in an uproar that developers in the N. Fillmore Plan pushed for city council to bypass the Planning Commission making its recommendations regarding the plan even after Smedley said it would be highly irregular for City Council to ignore the Planning Commission's recommendations on a project.
Diane McCall also is being bashed. She has no connection in her campaign with trashing Patti, with Friends of Fillmore, or with Smedley other than she's running for office. She is a classy lady and I think it is mean spirited to trash her for simply volunteering in her community. If you reject her platform great. But I hope you will do it on a factual basis.
I do not like it when people act like, because they were born here or lived here longer, they are more important than other members of this community. That is the societal ill that is breeding the class war and the racial tensions in Fillmore. It further discusts me to see the "I was born here and have lived here longer than you so I have the inside track" attitude in a candidate running to represent the entire public. That smacks of pride. Although naturally those with that same insider attitude will likely vote for the candidate with this sort of stuck- up stance.
Let's talk about the fact that the Chamber of Commerce ousted Walker for giving an interview with the press, without their permission, just around the time businesses were expressing an interest in the chamber because of the interview. Remember at least one of the candidates running for the council is currently on the chamber and comes highly recommended by another prominant community member on the chamber (whose not running for office but avoids talking with the press when asked to interview.)
As far as the overdevelopment issue, I do not think anyone, including Patti or Gayle or any other candidate chose to reject development. They, like most Fillmore residents, want development to continue but scaled down below 894 or 700 units the city was pushing for.
Those of you who wish for 700 or 894 units, try to get out of River Street onto HWY 23 someday, but not during rush hour, you'll never make it out. Traffic was never that bad until Griffin placed his lovely homes in that neighborhood. And it's only going to get alot worse before Griffin or caltrans finally put in a traffic signal. Welcome to the hotel CA.
Remember also the new school you will pay to build, not the developers, with a higher number of units in N Fillmore. That was something McCall initially inquired about when city staff was stating we wouldn't need a school, even though the EIR said we would. However developers would be required to pay a developer fee to "Mitigate" the issue. But it won't be enough to pay for a new school or a cafeteria in the one we have.
Mitigate is a fancy word EIRs use to force city's to swallow state mandates to overdevelop on account of the influx of illegal aliens we're housing as Californians are heading out the back door of Hotel CA to go to Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Iowa, Idaho, Canada, wherever they have to in order to escape the overcrowding, the hateful proud stares, the uneccessary hospital closures, the dumbed down school requirements, the incessant graffiti, litter, loitering, youth gang activity, the car keying, uninsured motorist rear-ending, votor defrauding, non English speaking consequences caused by California's legacy of illegal immigration. Thank you NAFTA, CAFTA, and FTAA, UN and ACLU. And thank you public officials who have sold us out to the illegal immigration Betrayal of America. Oh and let's not forget the latest legacy of the government, we're all supposed to become Muslems. Do you think the Islam new world order of the globalist agenda would appreciate our pro -gay agenda in the public schools as well? Do you think the NOW would like for women to accept they're enforced mutilation. For constitutional sake, it is okay to stand up for a nation governed by its true citizens. By the way immigration is a-okay when it is LEGAL!!!!!!
anon 9:56 - If I wanted to hear you bash on everything from gays to illegal immigration all I have to do is tune into KFI news radio. Lets focus on Fillmore.
Brian while I respect you for your comments, it has been made known very publically that you are their campaign manager. Please understand that you are not being attacked, you are probably a very nice person that is trying to make a living in Fillmore, as proven by Gayle's plug for you, which I can understand, she wants to support her friend, but this is in opposition to all of her "stances" on what her oponents are doing. The only issue her is in Gayle and Patti's comments about the other candidates as well as their supporters comments about thier financial and other supporters not being locals, while I still have not decided who to vote for, I am intrigued by you comments. and am curious then as to who is their campaign manager
Brian one more thing, it seems as though the other candidates do not need to do anything, Gayle and Patti seem to be doing it to themselves. Thus FOF and what ever other pacs that may be out there only need to bring to light some of the past issues relating to Patti, my only thought is poor Gayle, it is ashame that Patti is bringing her down, she has a lot of potential and is a smart lady.
Anon 1002 very well spoken, I agree to most of your comments.and commen sense.
ANON 1009 kfi does not bash gays, only ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION< but it seems as though most of the US LEGAL CITIZENS FEEL THE SAME WAY< what prop 187 passed overwhelmingly, but then there was the courts, now there is the infamous wall between Mexico and the US, what do you think that Bush would have signed that bill with his open boarder policies if the LEGAL US CITIZENS didn't express themselves to the politicians in an extreme manner. Come on, of he did because we did. like it or not, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS LOOSING IT TOLERANCE WITH THE LEGAL CITIZENS OF THE US
Illegal immigration isn't off the subject of why the state, namely SCAG, is requiring California to build a certain amount of housing (or is it the garages they want) per period. No one has to listen to KFI or any other radio station to see the overcrowded mess California is becoming because of it. Since even the city has stated more people are living in CA than ever before, yet more citizens have leaving CA than previously, where do you think the need for so many houses is coming from, especially when the birth rates are decreasing? The babes aint comin from planned parenthood. The problem is despite, the unfavorable global agenda our gov has thrust upon the American stage, people are too focused on local things and the TV. Look, do you think it's a mere coincidence that the prices of homes, particularly in Ventura County are among the highest in the nation? And you can't tell me it's because Ventura County is still the best place to live in the U.S? Though I certainly thought it was about ten to twenty years ago. Now my heart aches for what it has become. Will Fillmore next become the last overdeveloped town in Southern California? It's so simple. Just keep the units at a lower level and we won't need a new school.Maybe the developers won't make as much money. Oh that's right City council claims the developer would pass the cost onto the consumer. But interestingly enough people aren't paying their greedy prices ANYMORE.
here is an interesting quandry. If Washburn and Walker win the election would Cuevas then be Mayor. Nothing personal Cecilia Cuevas but I don't think I want her as Mayor. I was told if Smedley is out she would be next in line. However, I'm thinking if they all sort of take turns being Mayor she would eventually be anyhow unless Cuevas is not re-elected. I would love to see imput from you all about this question.
A good friend of mine who is well respected in town expressed that if Washburn got in with Walker he thought there would not be enough balance on the council. So he wanted to throw Walker to the wolves in there alone with Smedley. Of coarse Smedley has enough to contend with dealing with these two women and the ongoing drama "As the City council accuses each other of violating their code of ethics".
Sorry I accidentally posted one of my comments twice. And sorry for the length of them. It's just I still don't know who to vote for. I will tell you who I am not voting for though. I am not voting for the one who claims she running because she's lived in Fillmore all her life and has served on many boards. I don't know about you all but I find that abrasive. She ought to have at least pretended she's running because she wants to serve the people of this community.
Now the rumor is she's the idea woman and the rest of them are copying her platform. But I saw Walker and Washburn at the very first candidate forum in town. There they expressed their ideas along with Linda Roberts. McCall and Smedley were at a City meeting that night and couldn't attend. But Hernandez was out "sick". This was before Hernandez went public with her platform. So Walker and Washburn couldn't have used her ideas.
Also I don't think Gayle has all the same ideas as Patti. I've heard her mention her own fresh ideas apart from Patti on many occasions.
All the candidates said they prefered lower density housing but more businesses. (Although Ken thought they couldn't sell well if they were less than 700 units.) So maybe it is time to slow our housing growth rate down just a bit and look to bringing some businesses.
I believe Friends of Fillmore are attacking Washburn because she and Walker did such a great job at the last candidate forum whoever FOF is backing as a candidate (Smedley/Hernandez) feel threatened Washburn might win.
I'm not siding with any particular candidate yet. I just see the lies flying about the city and want to dispell them. As always my alliance is with the truth.
just verified on the internet, Friends of Fillmore donated money to Conaway's, Parson's, and Dressler's campaigns in 2004. Roger Campbell's name was on the form they turned in. Another company from Mill california (wherever that is) gave the bread. A couple names I didn't recognize were treasurer and trustee of the PAC.
I could not find anything on the current year. But I know Roger Campbell, though he seems like a good man, does earn his living, at least in a small part, representing land developers before City Council.
The city's web site is out of commission so I can't get anything on the current candidates' financial backings.
I will have to contact McClary. What a hassel. Does anyone know where else I can find these things on the internet?
Whats laurie's ideas anyways? Shall we ask MICHAEL McMahan or Roger ?
This morning ventura star just endorsed Smedley and Hernandez for the two positions. Doesn't the star normally lean to more liberal people? I was so totally shocked that they didn't endorse Washburn and Walker.
I am not surprised.
Most Papers and the Media are Liberal and also lean to the Hispanic Voters.
Campbell is the Treasurer of the Citizens for a Safer Fillmore, he signed their Forms. Campbell also listed himself (as Treasurer, non-member) with the rest of the Board Members.
Same PO Box as the FOF And John Scoles buisness street address is on the FOF Form 4960.
Anon 7:49
Smedley Loaned is Campaign almost $3,000.00 of his own personal money.
He desperately wants the Oak Plague the reads, "MAYOR".
According to him, when he is voted in, it is his decision. The peoples consideration stops at the election booth. He doesn't consider the comments at Public Forums, as he has said
I thought a publisher or editor normally expressed backings of candidates while the reporters were supposed to be unbiased and report the news to the public. Readers can think for themselves can't they? But you're right I noticed the Star is extremely liberal almost bordering on communistic. I stopped buying the "red star" after reading their rendition of the Terri Shavo situation. Sheesh we may as well admit the papers lean in one direction or another huh. But I noticed the Gazette gave an unbiased overview of the candidates. I hope you read it.
I did read the Gazette.
I believe he choose the 2 most Polarizing Candidates.
Did you read he will vote for Patti, yet only endorsed Smedley?
He is being safe.
you're talking about the publisher's view of the candidates. I was recommending you read the views the candidates expressed at a forum on the front page of the gazette. There's a difference between an editorial and an article in a newspaper. But I too noticed Farrell is supporting Smedley now.
While taking my daughter to gymnastics I noticed someones home with three city council candidates signs. Ijust chuckled to myself ,and asked so they want either of these three candidates.
Ken Smedley ,Laurie Hernandez and just in case that doesnt work there is always trim spa queen Diane McCall. These pacs must be so desperate.
We almost set a record folks. I think clairek almost went 24 hours without exposing her love/hate (not sure which) relationship of McCall.
Hit a 12 step program claire.
I dont hate anyone. I dont trust Diane McCall or Ken Smedley.Infact i have never met Diane McCall. I think they(Diane and Ken) are phony and have no clear ideas in which us the voters are inclined to ponder. Like my husband has said all along , Diane McCall has no solid ideas , only the failed policies of Ken Smedley and the rest of the stooges. Im delighted to know you are a fan of my work.The TRUTH DOES PREVAIL. Ihave no agenda except that im a concerned mother , wife and taxpayer. ARENT YOU CONCERNED?
It seems to me that Ventura County is one of the few areas on the California coast that has not been discovered, dismantled, and reconfigured by those wealthy enough to live on the California coast. I think a lot of that has to do with the relative lack of glamor as compared to, for example, Santa Barbara or LA counties. But as Ventura County uplevels its image, its inevitable that these pressures will come to a head. I am a young professional seeking to start a family and settle down near my (mostly retired) parents. Will that be possible? Even with a six-figure salary and a good head on my shoulders? Right now the trend toward hyperinflating the value of California coastal property doesn't make it seem likely. Already other couples in our situation are fleeing for more affordable inland states. But what is the alternative? Historys says what enough people (with money) want they get. So, I'm softening my hold on my lifelong California residency, and considering that current forces at work could well be beyond me at this point. We shall see.
anon 4:13
"Love /hate relationship" with McCall. YOU SMOKIN CRACK AGAIN?
MS.McCall is no peach.
clairek has a right to her opinion , just as you do and well , as does Ms.McCall
Last time I looked claire kennedy wasnt on the ballot.
Wow, I have been out of town for a few days and can not believe the real forthright discussions that are actually going on in this blog. I am impressed with a lot of the sincere and well thought out points made. This is how this blog should be.
Anon 5:34 you are correct. Last time I checked she wasn't on the ballot. Some would say she doesn't exist at all according to Lexus Nexus search and county records, but hey who really cares at this point? It would have served Gayle better if she had supported her in a positive manner, which was my point. For the record most stalker have never met their obsession.
Another day another color mailer. I fully expect to see a plane dragging a banner over Fillmore this weekend.
Breath deep it'll all be over soon.
a concerned voter and avid critic of Ms. McCall hardly makes clairek a stalker.
I do hear that the Toxic Cheerleading is a click , so maybe Diane has offended a parent. Who knows and who cares . I just want Smedley out of office, so i can again enjoy ridding my bike in town without being segregated. I would also like to support local business's again. Smedley is nuissance to our city. Smedley belongs in the San Fernando valley. They love uncontrolled growth and uncontrolled citizens.
Gayle just a thought here, I personally have more respect for you as a result of your handling of this blog for the most part. I think that you make an excellence councilperson, however, I feel that you are too entrenched in the toilsof Patti. It seems as though you have been made a pawn in this whole campaign. It is a shame. I would venture to say that maybe next time you run, whether you win this time or not, that you seperate yourself and your thoughtprocess from the Patti camp and try to formulate your own opinions from multiple sources and not just Patti's twisted thought process. I think that down deep you are a good person caught in the trap of Patti and Ken's world.
I heard that John Rieder asked the city council to forgo the planning commission with regards to his project any thoughts on this? It sounds as though the city council told no that he has to go through the process including the planning commission. what do you all think his next move will be? What is Patti and Gayle going to do about his project and what do you think the planning commission will do. It seems as though he wants the current city council to vote in his favor before the new candidates are selected for the city council any thoughts on this?
I personally don't have anything against any candidate. But I must say one thing I questioned about McCall's platform was her crime stance. Don't get me wrong, I think criminals and parents of youth who commit crimes should be held accountable for such deeds but a "We Tip" line for Graffiti? Hasn't she heard of the Crime Stoppers program our dear departed Hank instilled here in Fillmore. I'm not sure what the difference would be that she has in mind. If she's out there I hope she'll explain.
Anon 804 good point. He is not the first developer in the N.F. plan to ask the council to bypass the planning commission's recommendations on his project. SunCal did the same. This time council said no because two of the commissioners were not disqualified out of it this time as they were in the last decision. Austin, though he was involved on a business level in the SunCal project was not in Rieder's. Tucker, though his house was too close to the SunCal project it isn't too close to Rieder's apparently. So that's that. You have a point about the election though. I do believe Rieder's is going onto the next agenda. If you look on the City's web you may be able to see when the next meeting is or if it's on the agenda of the Planning Commission or City Council meeting. No doubt a public hearing would be announced in the paper.
Sounds to me like some people have a personal vendetta against these developers? I've read the EIR and have studied the plans for the north Fillmore area. These future developments are a great opportunity for that area to revitalize itself.
Anonymous 9:51 PM,
What's with the no growth stuff? I have never said I was no growth. Where did you come up with that? Just because I think 700 or 894 homes for North Fillmore is too much for that area doesn't mean I'm no growth.
A lot of people here would disagree with you that Fillmore is a "worthless dot on a map". We have a lot to be proud of and a lot worth protecting.
Gayle, in all fairness I will retract my statement that you are a NO GROWTH candidate. You have made several statement in public that you stand for slow controlled growth. I just find that hard to swallow seeing that you and Patti Walker are running together as partners. Patti Walker was opposed to the Riverwalk development while sitting on the planning commission. While on the city council she opposed the Hometown development in N Fillmore, The River Street town homes development behind Vons and the Heritage Valley Park development. I guess it just sounds like NO GROWTH to me.
Anonymous 6:24:
Wow, calm down. That's a lot to say in one comment. I'll have to try to parse it out so I can make some meaningful responses.
No growth, limited growth, growth...Okay, try to remember this, I've said it enough before. I am for responsible growth. I think we should try to stay within the SCAG forecasts or Vision 2020 forecast. That's what the expectations are.
I rechecked my list and I did indeed get all my contributions from Fillmore citizens - all in small contributions under $250. This was way beyond my expectations. I'm not sure who you are talking about in Carpinteria.
"then you tell us that the NFSP calls for 683 max"
Yes, that whole Master Plan, General Plan, Specific Plan stuff is so confusing. I tried to explain it in the Referendum topic. I think the city attorney is going to have to explain it since everyone is so confused.
My campaign manager, Bob Stroh, lives in Fillmore.
Continuing on with your comment..it looks like you kind of go off the deep end here and start rambling. It will take too long to respond to. Maybe you can find the answers or information you seek in some other topics or comments.
Anonymous 9:56 PM: Thanks for the kind words and well thought out comments.
Why aren't you running for city council? You are very informed on all the issues and bring a lot to the conversation.
At 8:04 PM, Anonymous said...
I have to commute to Costco, to Macy's, TJMaxx and Seafood Broiler too. Where do you stop?
The 350 homes at a million dollars is an exagerrated myth. Talk to Mr. Ralph Rees, who has spent a lot of time calculating out lot sizes and drawings. I think the lots he came up with were 6,000 square foot lots, which is what our current codes require. He thought that two-story duplexes could be multi-family or affordable housing scattered throughout. The 5 units per acre is what Riverwalk, Hometown and Rosewood, and is in fact, the average density for the entire city. There has never been a development - not one - in this town that will have the density of North Fillmore Specific Plan and Suncal.
"I believe in single family homes on decent size lots, at a fair price, lets say in the 500 to 700 thousand dollar range, mixed with a small amount of condos, and or townhomes, what are your thoughts?"
That is exactly what most have asked for in North Fillmore and that is personally what I would be happy with. I think the over 50% multi-family that we will have with Suncal will be too crowded.
At 10:36 PM, Anonymous said...
Bob Stroh is the campaign manager.
I am not sure what this means...
"but this is in opposition to all of her "stances" on what her oponents are doing." ...could you please give a specific example or comment that you are referring to.
I have also stated that my donations are all from Fillmore citizens and all $250 or less.
I say fire Bob Stroh, use that $250 to make a big poster that says "I do not agree with Patti" and maybe you just might have a chance to win this election gayle. ;)
I noticed one comment posted said Walker opposed just about every development on the council but Friends of Fillmore claims they don't like the plans she supported. So which direction will the pendulum of rhetoric sway today? Could it be she only did not support development in the flood plane?
I think FOF just criticized her according to their recent telepone survey. You know the one where they asked if you like ElPascador. Isn't that where Smedley held his recent campaign endorsement party?
I looked up on the internet. Still cant find 2006 campaign financial statement forms. But I did find 2004s - 460 forms. Patti's looked squeeky clean. Only donations from Fillmore citizens. Friends of Fillmore took donations from Griffin Industries and spent them on Conaway's, Dressler's, and Parson's campaigns. Conaway has more out of town and state donations than Friends of Fillmore does.
I was very disappointed. Cuevas was just as bad. I was equally surprised. She had no ties to Griffin or FOF. But she received a donation from TNT (conflict of interest there) and one from Zahid Shah a developer who lives in Ventura but has a business in FIllmore. I hear the guy is slime. Tried to pick up on a married reporter once but only to find out how to get his development pushed through quickly.
The reason he couldn't get his thing through was because Payne was stalling him on account of the Fillmore Western Railroad needs the area for storage and they have no place to go. Seems Cecilia was unsympathetic to the railroad company's plight when push came to shove.
Why didn't the voters check these things before they voted last election? Could it be because it was a pain in the rear to get the info like it is now?
Anon 6:54
Tell me about TNT.
I heard Smedley got contributions from TNT also for this campaign.
What do you mean a confict of interest, what ties do they have with the City?
He also got funds from Harrison, Ralph & James. The Trash contract the city has. I say this is a conflict of interest too, being the City of Fillmore is Contracted with the Harrison Co.
The Friends of Fillmore Paid:
in their Form 465 Supplement
Campbell Public Affairs $5,059.62,
Independant Expenditure Report in Font size "1", they Comment,
Sub-Vendor
Veronica Morris $4,018.68,
Business Mailing Center $1,040.94
Sub-Vendor of Sub-Vendor:
US Postmaster $677.58
I'm 9:56. Thanks Gayle for the compliment. I would never want to run for City Council. I admire anyone who would have the willingness to do so.
My talents lie elsewhere. And my children are so young it would be a detriment to them if I ran for office.
to Anon 6:54. Regarding TNT fireworks. From what I recall the City contracts with them for the annual fireworks display. Wouldn't that be a conflict of interest if there were another fireworks company wanting the job? I could be wrong. Please correct me if so because I don't know how many fireworks companies there are. But that sounded like a conflict of interest to me.
you said Smedley got a donation from Harrison and the others. Where did you find this out? I want to know where to see Smedley's contributions. Did he get any advertising from FOF this year according to FOF's form? And why isn't Gayle or Pattie telling me where to get the info. Don't they want the public to know? I want to see the 2006 statements of all the candidates. If I don't find them on the net I will go to City Hall Monday
Citizens For a Safer Fillmore
Treasurer:
Roger Campbell
PO BOX 853
Funds came from:
$2106.70;
Fillmore Community Action, who are they?
PO Box 853, Campbell's PO Box!
Fillmore
$1500.00;
Fillmore Farms, Who?
PO Box 515
Fillmore
$500.00;
Beamore Farms, Who?
1024 Ventura St,
Fillmore
$500.00;
J.C. Morris Partnership
1024 Ventura St
1024 is the Wm L Morris Chevrotlet,
Morris Family,hmm
Also include
Friends of Fillmore monies
all from Sacramento Attorneys.
Nielsen, Merksamer, Parrinello, Meuller & Naylor LLP
1415 L Street, STE 1200
Sacramento Ca 95814
5 different checks total of
$1553.11
ALL THIS FOR SMEDLEY & HERNANDEZ
What secret deals will they do for their friends once in office??????
We all know Smedley pushed alot of Development in the last 4yrs with the help of the FOF other elected Councilmen Villgas, Conaway & Dressler. All Financially supported by FOF.
FOF have not filed their last 3 Statements and will not until after the election. The due dates were Oct. 5th & Oct. 26, no Reports as of 11/3/06.
They are notorioius in doing this. Breaking the Law that protects Campaign Financing, so YOU out there do not know who contributes until after the election.
To think in 2004 their
Chariperson was John Scoles,is he still a member? He has been for years and the FOF is still using his business address.
The FOF knows the law and are willing to pay the Fines so you and I don't know who they are until the Election is over.
Now that is misleading to the Citizens of Fillmore!!!
How can anyone vote for
Smedley & Hernandez knowing this???
7:59
I got them at City Hall.
Yes The FOF paid for Smedley & Hernandez Flyers
Who are Fillmore and Beamore Farms? Do they exist? If so are they the slaveowners encouraging this illegal immigration then paying substandard wages and no benefits to these poor underpriveleged migrant workers while the rest of us end up footing the bill? You made mention of these supporting Hernandez and Smedley...Was McCall on there as well? Somehow I doubted it.
By the way did you have to pay for these records at City Hall. One time I had to pay an inordinant amount of money for an extended agenda or something. I think the public ought not to have to pay for such things nor copies of EIRs on CD.
the reason I think the public should not have to pay for such documents is we shouldnt have to pay to hold our public officials or our staff accountable to the public.
And speaking of accountability Ortiz, running for school board claims she's all about getting the public involved and keeping the media abreast of the schools doings but she can't stand talking to reporters. I would not vote for someone who refuses to talk to the free press our constitution guarantees to hold our government and public officials accountable to the public. Especially not when she's making decisions which affect children every day.
I'm voting for Dollar, Prado, and Wilde for school board. And I don't think it's bad to have someone on the board to listen to the teachers.
Beamore Farms: Morris Family
McCall was dumped, because
Smedley needs the Hispanic vote!!!
he would have been better off with McCall. She's not abrasive. She is friendly, outgoing, and NOT stuck up. She also showed concern for the hispanic community when she wanted to set up a program to help the immigrant parents of children learn to read and speak English so they can help their kids with their work. She wanted to ask the churches to help with this. I for one would like to see the churches reach out to the hispanic community here rather than only taking mission trips to Mexico.
I'm surprised Smedley didn't realize he could have kept the hispanic vote with Pastor Ernie Rangel endorsing him. Perhaps he was afraid the righteous godly man would later realize what Smedley really is. Who knows. I was told by an insider at the PD Smedley admitted he's using the churches to get re-elected. Now don't be mad at Rangel for endorsing him. No one could have known Smedley would day such a thing. And I did not actually hear Ken saying these things. But I did also hear Smedley was a real meanie on the Rotary Club as well. Who knows for sure? But I will say the person who told me these things about him had nothing to gain by telling me. Either way whether Smedley's full of it or is indeed a good man I think Rangel is a fantastic asset to the community and I hope he will stay and continue to minister.
MY Vote will not be for
those supported by a PAC
"Friends of Fillmore" or
"Citizens for a Safer Fillmore".
Just got their trash in the mail.
Here are the Candidates they are supporting.
SMEDLEY, HERNANDEZ,
PRADO, CHENEY & WILDE
I WILL NOW VOTE FOR:
WALKER, WASHBURN
ORITZ,DOLLAR & FIGUREROA
THESE CANDIDATES WILL "NOT" HAVE BACKROOM DEALS WITH FOF, CITIZENS FOR A SAFER FILLMORE OR DEVELOPERS LIKE GRIFFIN & SUNCAL
To bad FOF & Roger Campbell, I will not let you sell out Fillmore anymore.
I hope the rest of the Voters of Fillmore stop you too
DO NOT LET THE CITIZENS FOR A SAFER FILLMORE FLYER FOOL YOU.
ROGER CAMPBELL SIGNED THEIR STATEMENT TREASURE(NON-BOARD MEMBER)
SURE YOU ARE NOT AFFILIATED AND I AM MICKEY MOUSE.
IT IS YOUR PO BOX 853 AS WELL AS THE FRIENDS OF FILLMOR PO BOX 853 TOO!!
I did not get that flyer. When did it come out?
Gayle, please just stop. get away from the patti retoric, for example Brian stated in a letter sent to the sespe sun, for give for not remember the date that as your campaign manager that he did not agree or condone the comments of ClaireK but used more anon names then sighting the exact comments, he has on a regular basis made this comment to a lot people that he was your campaign manager, in ear shot of a lot of others, thus unless you have changed your campaign manager recently he is your campaign manager. With regards to the Stances, both you and Patti keep smashing the city council, the city staff, and others for taking development money, for taking special interest money, etc... when you and Patti have taken moneys from special interests as well as from out of town people. Your comments today even explain this, you state 250 from only in town people. your stance, but in reality not your practice. So get away Patti is dragging you down, but the flag up that someone posted seperating yourself from Patti, Stop being a pawn and start making a difference. You do not even understand the general plan because of all the retoric, just stop and listen to yourself, your husband, your family and friends, and stop listening to Patti.
regarding anon 1:59s comments: First of all, I happen to know Patti and Gayle both listen very intently to their husband's and families. And I noticed this fact with only being merely aquaninted with them not knowing them on a friendly basis. I have seen and even overheard them interacting when they did not notice me overhearing them. Both of these women take very seriously the advise of their husband's.
Regarding the contributions: if Patti or Gayle did take out of town contributions (I haven't checked yet, but intend to on Monday) I think it might get them the highest vote count. It certainly did for Steve Conaway last election. I saw donations for his campaign from Utah and other out of state locations as well as out of town in California locations. I think Cuevas took donations from Las Vegas a couple times also and she gets around alot in California too. So why is Walker or Washburn held to a higher standard than anyone else? Oh that's right, because they aren't in the hip pockets of the land development corporations, SunCal or Griffin under the guise of FOF, that's right. My mistake.
Wow alot of stuff here.I would like to know...how Ken and Ernie got to be Mayor&Mayor Pro Tem on their first go around ahead of Patti and Cuevas??I do not see how this is possible.One more?Is it a walnut Plaque or the $75 that makes people endure this abuse? maybe glasses or a PHD would help me see and understand all of it.
I realy feel something is fishy about the mayor/pro tem thing.
Hey Anon 159 the issue here is not that they took money from out of town persons it is that they talk about how bad it is for their opposition to and then low and behold they do it, it is called hypocritical. And that seems to be what their campaign is all about. spreading misunderstanding and talking about how rightscious they are only to find out that they are just as bad. That is why I am voting for Diane, and Lauri, I am bothered tremendously by Ken, Patti and Gayle's action and only wish for there to be a change in business as usual, and these two seem to have to least to do with all the special interest and money from out of town.
8:43 & 1:59
Watch what you say, those are lies you are spreading!!!
Go get the Candidates
Form 460, you will see Gayle has received all her support from Citizens of Fillmore.
Now Diane got her funds from
Ventura County Lincoln Club
Simi Valley
Beverly Gutierrez
Ventura
And loaned her campaign funds
Ken Semdley
R Harrison
Ventura
J Harrison
Ventura
BRQ PAC/BORPAC
Los Angeles
American Promotional
Fullerton
He also loaned his
campaign $2,200.00
Citizens for a Safer Fillmore
which is run by Campbell for the
Friends of Fillmore.
Now since that is said,'What did you say about voting for those being supported by Special Interest groups?"
Changing your words now??
Anonymous 11:10
As far as Dianes form 460 forms, The Ventura County Lincoln Club is the Republican Party, who I noticed by my voting guide also gave her their endorsement. I wouldn't consider The republican party special interest since it is customary for the endorsing party to make a small donation of funds to the candidate. Besides $250 couldn't go far in any race.
As far as the $100 contribution from Beverly Gutierrez, it is $1 over the reporting amouont of $99. Both of these entities are at least from within Ventura County. How much influence can you buy for $100?
The total of her money raised including these two named entities is far less than $1,000.
I've never seen any anti-candidate flyers or mailers coming from the McCall camp accusing anyone of anything, from what i see, she has been just running her own campaign without getting involved in any mudslinging
Anon 6:29 pm I personally looked at the county records and saw McCall is on the ballot so I don't know why you're saying she isn't. Maybe she wasn't when you checked or wrote that but she is now.
anon 5:44 I think there's a difference between growth or development of businesses and that of more homes.
Nope I would not change my words, it seems that Diane is a republican, thus got the endorsement, yes they are a special interest, but it seems that they are a special interest on a much larger front, not like developers that are trying to do business in Fillmore, nor like special interests that are trying to sue or have sued the city, nor special interests that are trying to influence the city council like Patti and Gayles Camp and Ken and Lauri's camp. It seems as though Diane has spent a lot of her own money on her campaign and has not engaged in the smut that these other 4 candidates have, thus she has my vote without a doubt, as For Linda, to much has been said and done by her to deserve my vote. If it were up to me I would only vote for Diane twice, but since it is not I have to look at who the second candidate is that will do the least amount of harm to the city.
When I ran in 2004, I took contributions from local citizens. I did not take any money from any corporation or business. I received about $2400 in total donations and I was able to send 1 mailer.
In comparison, FOF raised $30,000 to support Dressler, Parsons & Conaway. PAC's are legal organizations but they do not have to follow the same contribution guidelines as individual candidates. PAC’s can take in money over the $250 individual limit. It is difficult to compete in getting your platform out to the community. In 2004 FOF sent out 3 or more mailers and they placed their large signs up on properties that were owned or managed by the FOF contributors. Those contributors were developers and developer interest companies - plumbing suppliers, etc.
This time around I was blessed to get donations from people who live or have lived in Fillmore or do business in Fillmore. They are attorneys’ (remember I am a paralegal), hairdressers, caterers and the like. It is VERY doubtful that these individuals will be presenting projects for city council consideration and so there wouldn’t be a perceived conflict of interest.
With respect to the mailers that have been sent by the FOF and Citizens for a Safer Fillmore, some recipients believe they are informative, some think they are mud slinging, some believe the statements that are made.
For Gayle and me, we have made every attempt to have our mailers address the issues we know are important to Fillmore's future. We have given handout material in an attempt to refute the comments made by the FOF and CFSF but have not spoken ill of or against any candidate. That is not our style.
If you believe more homes, more cars won't overcrowd our schools and roads, then vote your heart.
But if your heart tells you that Fillmore has some issues that need to be addressed - lack of parks, traffic that makes it difficult for the residents to get around the city, overcrowded schools, vote for candidates that will plan for these in a courageous manner - vote for Gayle and Patti
Diane McCall is waffler. Remember her many stances on the issue. Can we trust Diane?
Laurie Hernandez, what is her stance?
First let me address ClaireK as I stated in an earlier post on a different section ClaireK your reality is Skewed, please do not be jealous of Diane, it will be okay, you will survive. Second lets look at Patti she has waffled on more then one issue, it depends on what the citizens want and what her agenda is. Thus, if one looks at the fact that Both Diane and Patti look at what citizens comments are with an open mind then they concerned with doing what is right, for me I believe this to be the case with Diane, as for Patti, she still has a lot to prove.
Patti, I noticed that your comments do not address anything other then retoric. Your flyer in oposition to the FOF on the GP update had nothing to with the GP update, but only the EIR, thus this was a trick or tactic used to MISUSE the information. You have never been able to prove that the FOF Flyers were inaccurate, only that you did not photograph well when they altered the original image, which was wrong on their part. As for the parks, yes you are a paralegal, and your claim that they will not have an effect on Fillmore is extremely potentially wrong. Look at the whole thing with the emails, the law suit against the city, etc.................... This is from attorneys, thus fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Please do not insult my intelegence by suggesting that you would not do this again.
Additionally, I would say that the amount of misleading information that you and Gayle have been spreading has cost this city far more then you offer to it. For example the GP update, Gayle cannot even understand it, both of you have been making claims that simply are not true, it is not RL it is 5- 20 unit per acre not exceeding 894. It is in black and white and very well spelled out in the GP, neither of you have been able to account for this in your comments. only retoric that skirts the issues. Again insulting our inteligence. Your comments do not adress any issues but instead only skirt them.
I really doubt Claire Kennedy is obsessed or a stalker of Diane McCall. Of what ive seen of Diane is that she is simply a cold hearted person , her views or lack of views are a different story. Now its amusing that you claim Claire is a stalker or whatever your demented thoughts are , because she is a vocal critic and she openly admits it. So i must ponder the idea that Ken Smedley and Michael McMahan are overwhelmingly obsessed with Patti Walker .
Smedley's age must be catching up with him!!!! Gradually the puzzle is coming together.
Anon 243, have you talked to Diane, or any other candidate, or are you basing your opinion on this blog?
Anonymous 9:04 AM:
..."engaged in the smut that these other 4 candidates have,"
What "smut" are you referring to that Patti or I have engaged in?
I am strongly challenging your comments as there has been no "smut" from Patti or myself. And, in fact, we have been mostly the victims of smut. And, your comments seem to be more smutty than most of the thinking bloggers here.
In particular, Patti has been victimized over and over and it seems inhuman and unfair to attack her over the issues of lawsuits that she did not instigate, did not benefit from, and tried to protect the city from. Talk about misleading. I didn't see Patti's name on that check and that lawsuit would have happened had she been on the planet or not.
I am usually pretty calm and rational but you are clearly neither and your only desire is to hurt Patti. What are you so afraid of?
Anonymous 2:08 PM:
Be aware that there is no attempt to skirt any issue. I have reposted some Land Use information on a new topic. Sorry it has taken so long but you all are just so prolific that I can't get to everything!
Here is my first negative comments for any candidate...Most candidates have been defended by Patti and myself and we have avoided any criticism even when the opportunity presented itself. But, I am very disappointed that other than Linda Roberts no candidate has shown any compassion for what a fellow candidate and citizen has been through and have had the nerve to complain about how you have been attacked. Linda Roberts had the dignity and humanity to denounce the Friends of Fillmore attacks on Patti and if you had any backbone you would too.
Okay lets me see first there is the signs for the lady that owns the business that did not endorse either of you, but had her name in your flyers, then there is the hypocracy of your statement that you denounce smut, but will take all the help you can get, then there is the misinformation presented in this blog and on the sespesun, in which you use only the sitations from the GP that will wuit your campaign, then there is the trashing talk at the city council meetings with threats and other such statements, then there is the misinformation about the 1600 person that signed the referendum, again give me an issue and I can get enough signatures to get a referendum in place, then there are the misleading flyers that talk about the EIR and NOT the GP, then there are I am for limited growth will only statements of NO GROWTH, then there is the ClaireK bashing of every candidate that you condone, then there is the Brian thing when he comes out publically and states he is your campaign manager, but wait he is not, the list go on and on and on and on and on. The thing here Gayle is that you are a good person, I believe with your heart in the right direction, but listening to those that bring you down to a level that is far beneth you. You talk of reading the material and a hard drive full of information, yet your ability to disseminate information seems to be misguided, you talk of concensus, yet the only concensus is Patti's. you talk about the referendum and how the city is playing games, when in fact it is you and your camp that is. The city council did EXACTLY what the referendum called for, to revoke their decision on the NFSP, but no that is not good enough the smut fills the air with talk of foul play. What dis you expect? they did what you wanted, but instead of moving the next step in your agenda you talk of foulplay. THat is SMUT.
With regards to skirting the issue, again you talk in circles, you use excerpts that only portray the information you want, such as limited growth when you seem to mean no growth, talk of the EIR instead of the GP, talk of RL when in fact and in plain english in black and white it specifically states 5-20 DU with a maximum of 894. This is called spin. then when you are called on it your only statements are about hard drives and reading the material and expressions of partial information. etc.......
Then you talk of Linda Roberts who is full of contraversy herself, and how she was honorable in her statements about FOF, when in fact you nor Patti have ever refuted any of their comments and factual information presented, only of how the pictures did not make her look good are portrayed in bad light, not talking about what was actually in the flyer, instead only about how Patti voted on the EIR, not her vote on the GP. It is okay to change your mind, but for god sake do not hide it, just state, I CHANGED MY MIND, I had certain ideals then and they have changed, now I am beholden to new thoughts and ideals. I am not for growth, or for limited growth. That is all I want and I believe anyone wants is the truth, not a bunch of information about Diane woffles,when in fact she listened to her constituents and changed her vote, let me repeat her VOTE, that is what mattered her VOTE. it is obvious that Patti woffled, but that is okay, she is allowed to change her mind, but be honest with it.
Gayle with regards to your last comments you forgot about Diane, she has said nothing and done nothing to hurt you or your campaign, if anything she has been the brunt of your camps and Ken and Lauri's camps smut in order to win the election. It seems as though you have left this fact out. I believe that the two of you should have gotten together and then the two of you could have run on a smut free platform, becuase I do not believe that you had very much to do with this. you seem like to nice a person, but that Patti has taken advantage of this and as a result has hurt your reputation.
It's A 3 person race.It always has been. That is the threat. I don't care what you call them FOF or the other safe... whatever!
Call them what they are..DEVELOPERS
And the people they hire. That should be a no brainer.I wonder if,
Roy,Roger,Bill ,And ALL the
other consultants have a city license ? Or The other companies they hire from out of town?
But I still would like to know...
HOW did Ken and Ernie get the gavel without standing in line?
It's still fishy
Okay 10:16 PM:
If you want me to take your comments seriously, stop and take a breath. Learn punctuation and grammar. If you want to have a conversation just focus on one thing at a time and not run-on sentences that go on forever with 20 different thoughts.
It seems like you are turning this into something personal. Lighten up and stop attacking! You are twisting everything around.
Nope not personel Gayle and again skirting the issue, this is not english class it is a blog, thus grammer is out, spelling is out, etc.. unless of course you are capable of putting a grammer check and spelling check into this little box. So, I answered your questions and met your challenge only to have punctuation spelling and run on sentences thrown in my face, good retort. Thank for the lesson, I will take it to heart. OH AND NOTHING PERSONAL, but thank you for allowing me to see the real you and Patti so I did not make a mistake in the poles this evening. I appreciate your time energy and efforts in the re-education of my grammer and punctuation. But maybe next time you can come up with something that is on target instead of repeated misinformation that cuts out half of the sentence, or maybe not spinning voting records, or maybe telling the truth about sign placement, etc.............................................................................................................................................
But I appreciate you, you have made a difference in this campaign. The one good thing is a lot of real information has come out and a lot of useless information has come out. especially from Gracy and ClaireK. but heck nothing personal. Good luck in your future endeavors and I wish you the best.
I love archives
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