Editorial in Ventura County Star today...
Did you see this in the paper today? It's interesting to note the real reasons that the park has been in limbo. We've been told it was because of lawsuits. What I question about that allegation, is that if lawsuits were keeping Griffin and the City from building a park, why didn't it keep Griffin and the City from moving forward with Heritage Valley Parks construction?
What do you think?
Fillmore candidate responds
By Patti WalkerOctober 22, 2006
Re: Cecelia Uber's Oct. 13 letter, "Divisiveness isn't needed":
I am not sure where she obtained her information upon which she based her allegations, but she is grossly misled. To clear up the record, I submit the following.
Delay of the C Street Park occurred when Griffin Homebuilding presented a plan to build a residential development on the C Street parkland and where the current wastewater treatment facility is located. The city has continually extended Griffin's exclusive right on the property many times and it was not until just recently that Griffin pulled the rights. It was only then that the plans for the park began moving forward.
I do not understand how Uber could come to the conclusion that I had a hand in the litigation that has plagued the city. Quite the contrary. I was the one who voiced concerns to the council and staff that there were possible violations of the California Environmental Quality Act occurring with respect to the various environmental reports. It was the council that chose to ignore my concerns.
Second, attorneys for the groups that sued the city also issued warnings. Again, those statements were overlooked.
Uber's accusation that I leaked documents from executive session is also erroneous. If memory serves me, she is referring to her continued allegation that a map was distributed during one session and I simply walked out the door with it in hand. First, it is impossible for that to have occurred as there was never a map distributed. Second, I wonder who told her a map was discussed. And, third, did she ever question Mr. Moore as to where he obtained the map? I am sure if she had, she would have learned the chain of hands the map traveled prior to it landing in his. I can assure you it was never in mine.
She is correct in stating that I was censured for writing a letter to my congressman on my personal stationery, the purpose of which was my concern for the health, safety and welfare of the citizens of Fillmore, as well as those who reside in the county. As a citizen, it was not only my right to communicate with my representative, but, more importantly, my duty.
And, finally, it is well within her rights to state that, in her opinion, I was disruptive and there existed divisiveness among the council. I beg to differ. It was my responsibility as a representative of the citizens of Fillmore, to be fully informed on the issues, to be fiscally responsible, and strive for fair and open governance. I believe I fulfilled my responsibilities.
— Patti Walker, Fillmore

52 Comments:
I believe everyone who is sickened by the smut peddling of the "Friends of Fillmore pac" needs to question the morals and ethics of the three candidates such as Diane McCall, Ken Smedley and Laurie Hernandez. During the Chamber Forum these candidates DID NOT denounce or shed light on the "Friends of Fillmore Pac" mailer.
So Diane was it a good, honest flier that benefited your campaign?
Let me guess WOULD your answer would be........ " I HAVE NO COMMENT"?
Again this shows our town that we do not need people that resort or cowars up when smut peddling exists in our town.
GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION!
TODAYS WORD 10-22-2006
TYRANNY- noun
UNJUST USE OF ABSOLUTE GOVERNMENTAL POWER.
EXAMPLES :
1. FILLMORE CITY HALL
2. FILLMORE CITY COUNCIL
WOW!you tell them I wonder what all the anoymoui will say.Idont belive the smart one will respond.For the hecklers its impossible!
i must say i agree with clairek. the questions is why didnt the other candidates denounce that the smut peddling?
keep the good work up clairek.
I intend to agree. My previous post was about the PUFF AND FLUFF of Smedley and the rest of the pac.
Instead of talking about their goals and accomplishments, they keep referring to PATTI WALKER AND LAWSUITS.
Whats interesting is Patti when she was on the council she actually warned the city and staff that we are not under compliance with state law. So my question to Smedley,,is not following laws or breaking rules a custom behind closed doors? Instead of being honest about the missteps of our city hall and council, instead we blame others.
SOUNDS LIKE WASHINGTONIAN RHETORIC.
TO ME.
They dont want Walker or Washburn because they actually know what is right and wrong. NO RUBBER STAMPING, WONT MISLEAD OUR CITY , WONT BE PART OF THE SHADY DEALS.
I guess if i were a dishonest politcian or a wanna be council member , i wouldnt want that type of behavior either!
Ummm...I meant what do you think about the park information and Patti's editorial...let's discuss an issue here.
so my opinion isnt valid?
Happy Sunday everyone!
I believe the editorial was a chock full of facts. Ms Uber is a shameful person with no girth of accountability. Again she is ashameful humanbeing. Again she fits comfortably with the Friends of Fillmore pac.
jarredude: At the time my comment was written you hadn't posted yet.
I'm glad you did come up with a valid point - that the city is responsible for legal problems because of their actions and that Patti Walker has pointed out the problems but they didn't listen.
Mr. Payne said during the hearings that the public did not sue the city on the 894 in the General Plan so we had to live with it.
The expectation that the public has to sue the city to have a voice is very disturbing.
I agree gayle. The city is not only reckless with our dollar, they are irresponsible.
By the way, I like the word of the day!!!
jarredude: I cannot take credit for the word of the day. I think clairek is the commenter who came up with that.
I just post my topics on current issues and get the community's feedback.
There are a lot of challenges going on in Fillmore and the citizens need to be able to participate. This is just one way of participating.
clairek: Let's keep the flaming to a minimum please. We have no way of knowing if Diane, Ken or Laurie have any connection to the Friends of Fillmore.
The only documented connection is that they supported Ken in the last election. The FOF may have changed their minds since then.
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Patti...
I like the response.
Now we all know the Sespe Sun supports the Opposition.
Is this more FOF Rhetoric?
I understand freedom of press, but this is a lot overboard.
We have not heard a peep From
Ms Uber.
TODAY'S WORD 10-23-2006
RAPACIOUS- adjective
* EXCESSIVELY GREEDY
EXAMPLES:
1. CITY HALL
2. GRIFFIN INDUSTRIES
Finally, Gayle you made a comment worth your stated stances. I have noticed that Friends of Fillmore have not sent out any mailers in support of a candidate only against certain candidates, Thus one has no PROOF that they support any candidate only that DO NOT support certain candidates. Thank you for not making this assumption. As for the Park, I think again, what are the facts, instead of drawing on assumptions or inferences, what are the facts. Does it have to do with the fact that the park is being built by the old holding tanks for the sewer. I am not sure and would suggest that the city staff and council comment on the reasons why, and the reason for the lawsuits.
It would seem that certain candidates would denounce the mailer from the FOF PAC. I can certainly say Roberts knows what is right and wrong. So yes the suspicion lingers on with regards to McCall, Smedley and Hernandez if they thought it pure smut or was it purely justified? Or maybe their campaign is reliant upon the fact that the smear ,smut peddling politics will work in their favor.
I am however confused . Is kerry McCall( Diane's husband) or is Diane McCall the candidate? Shouldnt Diane McCall be answering questions from the voters instead having her husband doing the dirty work? Just some food for thought.
I have grave concerns over the thought of spouses doing the campaigning instead of the CANDIDATE.
I think assumptions are being made which may hurt the cause.
PAC's can support or oppose candidate or measures.
The two faces of Walker would fit in the "oppose candidate" catagory. We have the right not to like the campaign. Just as if the Friends of Santa Clara River actively supported Walker. She would have no say in what candidates they actively support.
I have yet to see the Friends of Fillmore PAC support any candidate.
To be fully unbiased the recent Walker rebuttal mailer was misleading in my opinion. The graphics did not support the statement by the candidate.
I look forward to holding each candidate accountable.
Again ,,, McCall, Smedley and Hernandez failed to disassociate themselves with the mailer or even to say they disapproved of it.Instead they decided to be bobble heads. Well, in my opinion these 3 individuals believe the city is doing a superb job, ethics and morals are in place and nothing really should be changed. Silence is ignorance. The fact is if you want to continue with the status quo , then by all means vote for Smedley and McCall or Hernandez. Its quite simple,, really it is.....
Has anyone bothered to ask why city refuses to act accordingly with the law? Instead of blaming Patti Walker , it might be a proactive approach to get rid of Roger Myers and hire someone who is experienced and has the energy and conviction to guide the city in a legal manner. Falling asleep at the wheel can be dangerous! My advice to our glorifed city attorney is too open up a can of MONSTER ENERGY DRINK BEFORE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING .
okay, so I called the good doctor with the whole signage thing and he stated that Patti was in the wrong, Diane had asked to put the sign up well before Patti and Gayle, and he agreed to allow them to put the sign up. Then Patti asked and he stated this was fine as well, but she removed Diane's signs and put her signs up in place. He went on to say he mistook Patti's request as that of representative of Diane, thus the misunderstanding. Futhermore, when he read the blog he was upset about the manner Patti presented the story.
With regards to Diane's husband helping the campaign, what is the difference between this and a PAC known citizen for responsible growth assisting with answering questions about Gayle and Patti. This simply is the way campaigns are run. Supporters go into the community to spread the knowledge about their candidate. Nothing is wrong with this, other than those that assume that something is. Again assumptions ruin the big picture, this campaign as far as I can tell has a lot of mud slinging from the PAtti and Gayle side with little to none from the Hernandez and McCall side. So can someone explain why we need to listen the distortion and dissasociation of the truth instead focusing on the needs of Fillmore
Blah, Blah, Blah
More rhetoric....
Clairek where are you???
Surely you can respond to the above message.
My third set of signs have been taken down from my business. I did file a report with the police department. My next procedure will be to place a call to the county elections division. A bullet of news, Patti nor Gayle have or will remove any signs or posters of their opponents. Yesterday I did replace signs at Dr.bautista's office. I can assure you we did get permission awhile ago to place signs there . The rambling on about the Walker- washburn supporter's being mudslingers, that is a bunch of garbage. As a campaign volunteer we are running our campaign on positive ideas and facts. As far as Diane having her husband campaign on her behalf, I can care less. Lets focus on real substantial issues. If you want innuendos and gossip simply go the the sespe sun.
Brian..
We all who support Gayle and Patti know who are the mudslingers.
Of course their supporters have a positive campaign going on.
The opposition here and in the newspapers try to differ with us, with their words.
As for the signs, how strange, the signs that are being removed are Gayle & Patti's signs.
I haven't heard a peep if Hernandez, McCall or Snidely signs are being removed.
I noticed in this particular forum, an anonymous person seems to be a bit exaggerated also.
Thanks to one of my business partners who went out on the hunt for our signs ,Karin recently retrieved the signs . I will not name the individuals involved , but authorities have been notified. No candidates need to deal with these petty acts. Thanks for listening .
To gracy,
"Snidley" must be your way of being positive. The manner in which you support your candidate is demeaning to all. Suggestion, either grow up or buy a dictionary. Hey perhaps the fabled clairek can spell check you posts before you hit publish.
No one should be removing signs, period, except property owners who have that right. It would appear that the Washburn/Walker campaign have deep pocket funding based upon the amount of signs in town. Does the amount of signs indicate support? I recall numerous Walker signs last election also.
Will you be posting your campaign statements so we can all see who is funding you?
anonymous at 2:43: I have to take issue with your comments.
1. What date did Diane meet with him? Patti and I both met with him on September 27th and October 17th. He was very kind and gracious both times and said that no other candidate had met with him and he would be happy to have our signs there.
2. When Diane's sign appeared, we set up another meeting just to be sure he hadn't changed his mind. He again was very kind and gracious and said that he did want our signs there.
3. He asked us to remove Diane's sign and replace it with ours but we REFUSED as we will NEVER touch or take down another candidates sign. Either he or his staff removed Diane's sign.
The next day our signs were stolen and Diane's was back. Hmmm... We replaced our signs(with permission) and moved them to the side so that we could share the space. Ours were removed again. If it was you who removed them, you owe us an apology.
4. What story did Patti present? I am the only one who has commented on the signs.
5. Citizens for Responsible Growth is not a PAC. And, they are not assisting with any questions.
6. And there is a difference between a PAC that is funded by out of town developers and their contractors to support or oppose local candidates with "trash" as Linda Roberts call it, only for the purpose of self enrichment and exploitation, and grassroots citizens walking the streets to fight for the town they believe in.
If other candidates are being aided and abetted by the Friends of Fillmore they should denounce them publicly. If the Friends of Fillmore come out in support of another candidate just be aware that the candidate is a friend of the Friends.
7. Patti and I have not engaged in any mudslinging. The comments or questions that you see are coming from the community that has a RIGHT to ask questions and a RIGHT to their opinions. Not from us.
So the only distortion I see here is from you. Just ask some legitimate questions and respond to the CONTENT of the topics in a thoughtful way. That's what we are here for.
Who's signs were stolen today?
Oopps!!
Error on my part.
I meant Smedley, it is not in spell check.
Let's not cast stones.
Errors do happen...
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Clairek..
Gayle's & Patti's signs were stolen several times now, in different locations.
Gayle..
Amen I say to you with your response to Anonymous.
You know what?ANOYMOUS 6:14 or2:43 you remind me of the heckler in the movie HAPPY GILMORE is this all you can contribute? Get a real life! perhaps rent the movie.Then you will see how foolish you appear.Sorry but you may have good qualities what you contribute is not one of them.If it was in my power I would suggest to ignore you.Then you can move on to nag someone else.How sad very sad.
Anonymous 6:14 PM: That is a great idea. The new filing date is the 26th. However, my very competent treasurer is filing our documents tomorrow so hopefully we can get them posted for you tomorrow.
If I remember correctly we paid around $400-$500 for our signs.
All of our campaign donations have been $250 or less, which is the limit that we can accept. We've been very fortunate to have a lot of wonderful supporters giving their time and money to get us elected.
Anonymous 9:13 AM: I appreciate your points and direct questions.
As far as the park, Patti has the documentation, but it is my understanding that the park property was optioned(not sure if this is the correct terminology) to Griffin for a few years. They wanted to develop part of it. They kept extending the option up until July of this year. That is when the City decided to proceed with the park plans.
I want to state that this is just my understanding and if anyone has any other information I will be happy to check it out. I agree that the city staff should respond and clarify for us.
I am not believing that it was lawsuits that kept the park from moving forward. The reason I am saying this is because these projects continue to advance in the background whether there are legal challenges or not.
Consider that the Referendum has not dissuaded Mr. Reider or Olsen Company from continuing their progress with the city to develop their projects.
Jeez, this whole sign thing sure is getting out of hand but I really don’t think it should be that hard to figure out. I think if you look within the 400 block of Central, say facing West, you might find your answer. Perhaps someone who is trying to play their cards and stir up trouble between opposing candidates yet keep their own candidate’s nose clean.
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Brian...
Why don't you name names?
Let them embarrass themselves.
Let society know how much they are willing to stoop.
Why are you protecting these criminals?
They have trespassed and have stolen property.
The signs I put up a few doors from where yours were have been removed too.
How petty.....
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1 st Friends of Fillmore is a PAC a pack is an organization that lobbies a political official to support their agenda item, funds a candidate, and/ or attempts to get a candidate pro their agenda elected. Thus they are a PAC. As for the story that Patti presented, I agree I do owe Patti an Apology since you stated you made the comments please know that they are then directed at you. I would feel that it is safe to assume that the Good Doctor is playcating to those that he is talking to. What a shame.
clairek:
Here is a word to add to your "word of the day" game...
PETTY - adjective
..of little or no importance or consequence
Examples:
1. Comments & thoughts by mouthy individuals like Gracy, Polo and as ironic as it may seem...your self - clairek!
SYNONYMS
nugatory
negligible
inconsiderable
slight
ALL WORDS WHICH COINDICENTLY DESCRIBE APPROXIMATELY 90% OF THE COMMENTS ON THIS BLOG... GET A LIFE PEOPLE!
Anonymous..
Blatherskite.
One who spouts out nonsense.
Example:
YOU!!!!
I agree with anonymous...what a waste of time. I am done with this board!
ah poor Gracy are you getting upset, please do not. It will be okay. This is a good debate full of interesting perspectives and not personal, with the exception of Clairek and some of your comments. Stick to the facts and if you have an opinion state it about the issues not through personal attacks on those that may have a different perspective.
Anonymous..
Then practice what you preach.
I read you signed OUT.
Why are you back???
Also ignorance does not intimidate me.
I know that you are bliss in the ignorance you preach. But I will not hold it against you, I know that once this election is over and this Blog no longer exists you will be able to sleep better at night knowing that you will not have read the perspectives of others that may dissagree with you. You can be happy in your thoughts and content in your own little world. But, will the city be safer, will the issues be dealth with, will we have answers to all the questions posed in this forum. I doubt it, I think that once all is said and done that new issues will arise well before these issues are delt with and/ or solutions are found.
RE:5:16 the first half of your post is the same old .... In the second part,Ok i mean the last part OK really your last few lines is what we are to work on here.It seems to me, you and some of your cohorts are bent on disrupting this forum.That in its self is frustrating to all.Now if it is out of your and everyones system.Lets start to deal with the real issues and discuss the solutions with honest answers.READY?
Are marco-polo swim buddies?
Good points Anon 914 that is exactly what I feel should be done. Maybe ClaireK and Grace will follow suit with your suggestion and stop with the personal attacksm, and maybe they will actually answer a question instead of typing Blah Blah same thing, or some other statement of anoyance without answering the question or even being open minded enough to discuss the questions at hand. This forum in essence is for Gayle and I believe we should not forget that. She has stated that she is interested in hearing what we have to say. But if what is being stated is only personal attacks and statements that completely skirt the issues (like the word of the day) then what is being stated to Gayle. When in doubt make a personal attack? When in doubt answer a question with indifference to another persons perspective?Answer a question with a statement that has nothing to do with the question? how can a candidate or city councilmen know what to vote for and how their constituents think if they cannot even express it to them?
Good points Anon 914 that is exactly what I feel should be done. Maybe ClaireK and Grace will follow suit with your suggestion and stop with the personal attacksm, and maybe they will actually answer a question instead of typing Blah Blah same thing, or some other statement of anoyance without answering the question or even being open minded enough to discuss the questions at hand. This forum in essence is for Gayle and I believe we should not forget that. She has stated that she is interested in hearing what we have to say. But if what is being stated is only personal attacks and statements that completely skirt the issues (like the word of the day) then what is being stated to Gayle. When in doubt make a personal attack? When in doubt answer a question with indifference to another persons perspective?Answer a question with a statement that has nothing to do with the question? how can a candidate or city councilmen know what to vote for and how their constituents think if they cannot even express it to them?
did you say that 2 times? i think that is the bla...bla...bla thing.are you done now,can we start now? seriously,thank you.
Again another example of what I am talking about, I bring several points, and they are completely missed, Thank you for your statement and please by all means let get started, I write questions at least Gayle took some time to answer them, I state my opinion and all I get is "didn't you say that last week, Blah Blah Blah same old thing, or you are ignorant" The reason I keep harping on this point is to try and actually get some thoughts going, to actually start a conversation and a dialog, but instead it seems that this is not what this blog is about, instead personal attacks, and assumptions are all that is in here. But do not fret I like a challange and will not give on you all yet???????????:?
OK OK I understand!you don't like humor! I really did not want to spell this out(i can't type)you published twice! I truly ment no harm.OK? PS I like a challange too,just don't make me type so much ;)
sorry
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